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    astarloza tests positive


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    Oh no....the floodgates are open!!

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    Isn't this the same old test as before? Why did he think he could get through?

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    ASStarandfeatherthisLOSER.

    Fixed.

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    Bummer. I hate to hear this.

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    Not good for Euskaltel Euskadi. They didn't get an invite to the Giro this year and now this. We were all wondering who Team Sky and Radio Shack would replace at next years Tour.

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    Floodgates? . . . nah, just a drop in the bucket so far. The big loser could be the Euskaltel-Euskadi team. Two failed tests don't go well with sponsors.


    Then again . . who trusts the crooked UCI? I for one don't.

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    They've really just completely given up on the whole "wait for the B sample before reporting thing", haven't they?
    The best part of being a mad scientist is never having to ask yourself, "Should I really be doing this?"

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    Not surprised. Not disappointed. Don't even care anymore. Next topic of discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raptor3x View Post
    They've really just completely given up on the whole "wait for the B sample before reporting thing", haven't they?
    Good point raptor! +1
    IMO it is irresponsible to report anything to the press before the B sample... ridiculous. And, if he tested positive before the Tour, why was he allowed to ride it? It's like the UCI baits these cheaters, puffs-up its chest and yells "I gotcha", all proud like after the Tour. But, I guess it is better than baseball given MLB waited six years and two championships (BoSox) to release results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raptor3x View Post
    They've really just completely given up on the whole "wait for the B sample before reporting thing", haven't they?
    Yes. The UCI break their own rules every time. They have once again announced a failed "A" sample", against their own rules or procedure. They have lost all credibility to me. It's a Kangaroo Court of what's becoming a Kangaroo Sport.

    With McQuaid in for 4 more years . . . it's looking woeful.

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    Read this article from the Landis case . . . for those that don't know . It explains what is supposed to happen in these cases.

    http://velonews.com/article/10679

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    In the words of Jay Z "What you eat don't make me ****". I'm getting to the point that it all doesn't matter, the drama is sort of fun/funny. I watch the TDF it pumps me up to wage my own little battles on the road. Then the dopers are popped and everything is corrected, oh well. At least we get new social pariahs every year.

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    "All 181 riders tested positive; Massive cover-up revealed"

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    Quote Originally Posted by raptor3x View Post
    They've really just completely given up on the whole "wait for the B sample before reporting thing", haven't they?
    No the article stated he could request to be present for testing of the B sample. Hey in this country people are fingered before they go to trial and are found guilty. What is the difference?

    I feel bad about this. I was happy to see him win a stage for the first time in his life. He really was emotional about his win.

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    The difference is the UCI has a clear set of rules for how these cases are to be handled. They break them every time.

    Quote from the Velo News Article:

    Once the A Sample tests positive, the UCIís Anti-Doping Commission notifies the riderís National Federation, the riderís National Anti-Doping Organization, and WADA. In addition, the Anti-Doping Commission may send a copy of the notification to the rider and or the riderís team. The rider, the riderís National Federation, and the Anti-Doping Commission are all entitled to demand analysis of the B Sample. If the B Sample is negative, the entire test shall be considered negative. If, on the other hand, the B Sample tests positive, or if no request to test the B Sample is made, the findings shall be reported to the rider, his National Federation, his National Anti-Doping Organization, and to WADA. The riderís team may also be notified.

    Under UCI Rules, ďpublic disclosure shall be made by the Anti-Doping Commission or the National FederationĒ after the B Sample tests positive. Furthermore, UCI Rules require that

    License-Holders who are asserted to have committed a violation of these Anti-Doping Rules shall in principle not be publicly identified until it has been determined [at a hearing] that an anti-doping violation has occurred. However, the Anti-Doping Commission and the National Federation of the License-Holder who is asserted to have committed a violation of these Anti-Doping rules may make public statements and identifications they deem appropriate under the circumstances, but not earlier than sending the notification [requesting a disciplinary hearing].



    Once again, they condemn the rider before the "B" sample. It's a Kangaroo system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garthr View Post
    The difference is the UCI has a clear set of rules for how these cases are to be handled. They break them every time.

    Quote from the Velo News Article:

    Once the A Sample tests positive, the UCIís Anti-Doping Commission notifies the riderís National Federation, the riderís National Anti-Doping Organization, and WADA. In addition, the Anti-Doping Commission may send a copy of the notification to the rider and or the riderís team. The rider, the riderís National Federation, and the Anti-Doping Commission are all entitled to demand analysis of the B Sample. If the B Sample is negative, the entire test shall be considered negative. If, on the other hand, the B Sample tests positive, or if no request to test the B Sample is made, the findings shall be reported to the rider, his National Federation, his National Anti-Doping Organization, and to WADA. The riderís team may also be notified.

    Under UCI Rules, ďpublic disclosure shall be made by the Anti-Doping Commission or the National FederationĒ after the B Sample tests positive. Furthermore, UCI Rules require that

    License-Holders who are asserted to have committed a violation of these Anti-Doping Rules shall in principle not be publicly identified until it has been determined [at a hearing] that an anti-doping violation has occurred. However, the Anti-Doping Commission and the National Federation of the License-Holder who is asserted to have committed a violation of these Anti-Doping rules may make public statements and identifications they deem appropriate under the circumstances, but not earlier than sending the notification [requesting a disciplinary hearing].



    Once again, they condemn the rider before the "B" sample. It's a Kangaroo system.
    Who let the cat out of the bag? It seems like only the UCI is under a gag order. It seems like a lot of other organizations are notified. Are they under a gag order too?

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    I wondered the same thing about UCI and the rule about not releasing the rider information.
    I asked on another forum and no, they are following the guidelines.
    excerpted from:
    PART 14 ANTI-DOPING RULES OF THE UCI (new version effective as of January 1, 2009)
    http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/ge...c3MDk&LangId=1

    206. If the initial review under article 204 does not reveal an applicable Therapeutic Use Exemption or
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    for Testing or the International Standard for Laboratories that caused the Adverse Analytical Finding, the UCI shall promptly notify the Rider of (a) the Adverse Analytical Finding; (b) the Rider’s right to the
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    When the UCI is satisfied that the Rider has been notified, a copy of the notification is sent to the Rider’s National Federation and National Anti-Doping Organization and to WADA.
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    351. UCI may publish reports showing the name of each Rider tested and the date of each Testing.
    352. The identity of a License-Holder who may have committed an anti-doping rule violation may be publicly disclosed by the UCI after notice has been provided to the License-Holder under article 206 or, where no Adverse Analytical Finding is involved, under article 249.
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    I wish they had taken action before he started the Tour and won a stage. (Assuming the B-sample confirms doping occurred.)
    The rider in my avatar is David Etxebarria, not me.

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    Oh well, too bad. I was impressed by the guy in the Tour de France, but what can you do...

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    How could they take action before if they just got the result? Time travel? Pretty sure there is more science than pissing on a stick that shows a blue + sign if they dope.

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    the first test (A sample) was positive. we haven't heard about the B sample.
    the sample was taken June 26th out of competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by julian View Post
    Who let the cat out of the bag? It seems like only the UCI is under a gag order. It seems like a lot of other organizations are notified. Are they under a gag order too?
    Well . . .it was the UCI that made the announcement after all.


    Anyways . . . . I guess I'm off on a tangent today . . . as I don't care who takes what and when. I say let them dope all day every day . . . and may the best dope win . . . as if this hasn't been the case anyways

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    Astarloza tests positive for EPO

    Just when you thought the tour was clean.

    http://tour-de-france.velonews.com/a...r-epo-uci-says

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    Wow! Breaking Story! Thanks for keeping me up to date.


    P.S. - you think there are other dopers in the peloton?
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