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Old 07-06-04, 03:21 PM   #1
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Technical question about time

How is it decided when 2 cyclists have different times. What is the maximum time or distance difference between 2 cyclists to have the same time? Thanks for the help
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Old 07-06-04, 03:30 PM   #2
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question is a little hazy? what do you mean, in the overall classification the total time accumulated by the riders, in the stages or laps time the stage winner get time bonuses,
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I think he's asking how far apart riders need to be in order for a seperate time to be recorded for the trailing rider.

The answer I believe is one second.
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question is a little hazy? what do you mean, in the overall classification the total time accumulated by the riders, in the stages or laps time the stage winner get time bonuses,
On each stage.. not talking about the time bonuses.. how is it decided if x and y cyclists have the same time.. say if one comes 0.0001 behind the other they will have the same time (as what happens in the peloton) but when is it decided or in other words whats the minimal time or distance to consider 2 cyclists to have different times.
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I've heard 1 and 3 seconds. I've also heard that it's any measurable gap.
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I've been wondering the same thing, but it seems to me to be like a "judgement call" in the NFL. If the rider finishes with the pack (peleton) then he is given the same time as all other riders in that pack. As big as some of the peletons in flat stages, I'm sure it takes more than a few seconds for the last rider in the pack to cross the line vs. the winning rider. Also, in stage 2 Ligget said both riders that crashed on the sprint to the line will be given the same time as the field. I'm sure it took them a few minutes to gather themselves and cross the line. It seems to be left to the judges to decide where there is a "gap" in the field.
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If a rider crashes in the last K, he's given the same time as the guy who was next to him when he crashed.
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I heard that the actual stage times are not used to accumulate for overall times but they compensate for it somehow.. Eg; in the TTT, the second team was awarded +20" eventhough they were behind by over a minute, the third team was given +30". Does anyone know the exact rules/laws with this times. Does this apply to all stages?
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Just the TTT.
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G'day,

Laggard is right. Once the bunch has gone into the last km, everyone in the bunch gets the same time (except for place time bonuses). This is designed to prevent 178 riders sprinting for the line.....imagine the carnage that would cause!. This years TTT is weird, so don't fret to much about how that works,

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I heard that the actual stage times are not used to accumulate for overall times but they compensate for it somehow.. Eg; in the TTT, the second team was awarded +20" eventhough they were behind by over a minute, the third team was given +30". Does anyone know the exact rules/laws with this times. Does this apply to all stages?
http://www.tourdefrancenews.com/tour...1-9063,00.html

That should answer everything.
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How is it decided when 2 cyclists have different times. What is the maximum time or distance difference between 2 cyclists to have the same time? Thanks for the help
I believe UCI and USAC both use "Wheel Overlap" to to define "the group" that is awarded the same time. Once there is a visual "gap" between the rear wheel of a rider in the lead group and the front wheel of the next rider or lead rider in the group behind the last wheel of the lead group the actual time their front wheel crosses the line is then used and so on.
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