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Old 07-07-04, 02:04 PM   #1
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Hincappie in Yellow after tomorrow?

Do you think it is possible or probable? Would be nice to see him rewarded for all of his work over the years.
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I definitely thought that Lance would allow one of his teammates to wear it today and he would drop back to the fourth or fifth position. He did it last year, and it did surprise me a little, but then again, I guess if he's earned it, then there's no reason why he can't have it.

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Old 07-07-04, 03:05 PM   #3
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Well, he'll need to find 11 seconds somewhere. Since it will likely be a sprint finish, he'll need to go out on a break and take some time bonuses in the intermediate sprints. I don't know if Postal will let him.

I expect Voight to make a go of it alone or with a small group tomorrow in an attempt to move into the top 10.
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I definitely thought that Lance would allow one of his teammates to wear it today and he would drop back to the fourth or fifth position. He did it last year, and it did surprise me a little, but then again, I guess if he's earned it, then there's no reason why he can't have it.

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I think the whole team gets the same time. It's not who crossed the line first. LA was the highest placed member of USP, therefore he ended up in the lead. I don't think there is any way that one of his teammates could have gotten the yellow jersey today (besides him).
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Old 07-07-04, 03:06 PM   #5
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I definitely thought that Lance would allow one of his teammates to wear it today and he would drop back to the fourth or fifth position. He did it last year, and it did surprise me a little, but then again, I guess if he's earned it, then there's no reason why he can't have it.

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I'm not sure what you're talking about. The top 5 teamates all get the same time regardless of postition. The only way to hand it off would be to drop off the back by several seconds.

Last year his teammate beat Lance in the prologue and was ahead of him in time.

Hincapie would have to get a time bonus to take the yellow, not exactly an easy thing to do. If the opportunity presented itself, it could happen.

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My bad. I forgot Lance was ahead of his other team mates.

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Just like Laggard, I was thinking Jens might make some moves in the next stage to move up GC -- it seems logical given the situation.
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G'day,

when was the last time you saw a 'postie' up the road in the TDF?. They ride to protect Lance...that's what they're paid for. The only way Hincapie will ever get yellow is to place higher than the 'boss' in the prologue, then take advantage of a strong team in the TTT. Maybe after Lance retires.....but then the focus & the structure of the 'posties' (well the 'Disco's') will probably change too. George isn't the 3 week tour rider that Lance is....but Lance ain't no one day classic rider that George can become,

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"The Disco's" I Like it!
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I guess you do not remember last year when Lance was letting Heras have the stage win as an act of gratitude. That is what I was asking, Hincapie will have to beat Armstrong tomorrow by 11 seconds in order to go into Yellow.
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Old 07-07-04, 06:57 PM   #11
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...Would be nice to see him rewarded for all of his work over the years.
I totally agree. It would be great to see Georgie in Yellow!
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I guess you do not remember last year when Lance was letting Heras have the stage win as an act of gratitude. That is what I was asking, Hincapie will have to beat Armstrong tomorrow by 11 seconds in order to go into Yellow.
Exactly! That was what I was thinking of, but last year, Heras was still ahead of Lance because I think he did better than Lance in the prologue.

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I guess you do not remember last year when Lance was letting Heras have the stage win as an act of gratitude. That is what I was asking, Hincapie will have to beat Armstrong tomorrow by 11 seconds in order to go into Yellow.
G'day Leviathan,

I understand what you're saying....but it ain't gunna happen!.The only way hincappie can beat lANCE BY 11 seconds TOMORROW...is if the peleton lets him go 'up the road'. Neither Lance, nor the Peleton is gunna let that happen. You are operating on the mistaken belief that Lance will have the option tomorrow of letting George win.....look at the profile.....unless george is up the road, or he can outsprint the 10 best sprinters in the world....George isn't gunna win the stage......Even if Lance said "George, don't worry about me today, go get yourself a stage win", the peleton are not going to let someone as high as George on GC go up the road.....even if they did, the sprinters teams will have much to say about this,

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i'd love to see hincappie wear yellow. he's already having a really solid tour, and plus he's such a great guy(as i'm sure most of the pros are). i'm lucky enough to live in the same city as him and i've even met him riding twice; he was so friendly and cool, so i guess he's a little bit on my goodside . I'd love to see any of the other USPS guys take the yellow for even a day, but especially him.
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Old 07-07-04, 08:05 PM   #15
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I understand exactly what you are saying. The point that you and I are coming up short on is that Hincappie does not have to win the stage in order to get the yellow jersey. Lance can let him leave near the end of the stage and finish 10 seconds in front of Lance. If this happens, and the sprinters do their thing for the stage win, yes it will be a bunch sprint more than likely, with the peloton just a few seconds back It is very likely that Hincappie can get the Yellow Jersey. If Lance lets him.
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As much as I'd love to see George in Yellow -- it does the Posties no good to move the jersey off of Lance and onto George if the objective is to get the team out from under defending the Yellow jersey until they get into the mountains.

However, if there was a goal to put George in Yellow he would have to compete for all three of the on-the-road intermediate sprints to secure the time bonuses against the likes of Zulle, McEwen and the other Green Jersey hopefuls. The first rider across an intermediate Sprint Line is awarded 6 seconds of bonus time, the second gets a 4 second time bonus and the third rider gets 2 seconds. Thus, if George were able to win at least two sprints (12") or any other combination that nets him more than 11 seconds he could move ahead of Lance "on the road" well before the finish line sprint. That's a tall order, but it would be possible.

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I understand exactly what you are saying. The point that you and I are coming up short on is that Hincappie does not have to win the stage in order to get the yellow jersey. Lance can let him leave near the end of the stage and finish 10 seconds in front of Lance. If this happens, and the sprinters do their thing for the stage win, yes it will be a bunch sprint more than likely, with the peloton just a few seconds back It is very likely that Hincappie can get the Yellow Jersey. If Lance lets him.
No way that could happen. If Lance decides to let George go up the road, he also lets the entire peloton go up the road, including Tyler, Ullrich, et. al. He would have to drop off the back of the group to do this, giving up the time gains from the TTT. George would probably slap Lance upside the head and say, "why the **** am I working my *** off if you're going to give time back like that?"

Only way it happens is if he gets in a break or wins the sprint. Period.
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I could see Lance letting Georgie go with a break, get the 10 bonus seconds and the yellow jersey. The don't have to defend it. Once they hit the hills Lance should get it back from George or whatever other non-climber has it at the time.
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Lance did say in a press conference after the prologue that if he had yellow after the TTT that he wouldn't defend it, but putting George, Floyd, or Eki in a breakaway and letting them try to "take" the jersey would be an option depending if he felt strong enough to ride with out one of them.

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when was the last time you saw a 'postie' up the road in the TDF?. They ride to protect Lance...that's what they're paid for. The only way Hincapie will ever get yellow is to place higher than the 'boss' in the prologue, then take advantage of a strong team in the TTT.
The team let's a member or two up the road in breaks on more than a few occasions, it happened last year towards the end of the race (Stage 15, Beltran took off), in fact in the middle of the stage the domestic was "ahead" of lance on the GC (he was the "virtual" leader), the group finally took off after him, led by T-mobile, Bianchi, Euskaltel whose lead riders had just dropped down the GC list.

Letting one of the posties up the road can be a VERY strong tactic right now because it will force other teams to defend their position, especially the "sprinter" teams who will want the bonuses and stage wins. That means USPS can sit back a little and let other teams drive the pace instead of set it.

Granted they can't do it for 13 days until they hit the mountains, but I wouldn't be at all suprised to see it happen.

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G'day,

Don't have a problem with the theory on this, but my point is, it won't happen tomorrow. The 'posties' are not gunna send anyone up the road on this stage, it would be a waste of everyones energy...the race has another 2 1/2 weeks, not 2 1/2 days. All the 'posties' are to high up on GC to be allowed to ride off the front. Still, 'the proof will be in the pudding',

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I predict USPS to throw a rider or two in a break on stage 10.
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