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    Nike will shoe Armstrong’s Team Radioshack

    Ultimately Nike didn’t have anything to gain by flipping the entire bill for Lance’s new Pro Tour team, but the shoe giant will have a major role.

    This will be no surprise to anybody but last Thursday Nike has confirmed it will to be the footwear and apparel supplier to Team Radioshack.

    Unless team members are stars with their own shoe contract they will be required to wear Nike footwear and apparel in competition and training. This was confirmed by Nike spokeswoman Erin Dobson in an interview with The Oregonian. Nike is based in Portland, Oregon.

    The spokeswoman declined to disclose the financial level of Nike’s sponsorship, but it will be minor compared with RadioShack’s. A title sponsor typically pays $10 million of the more than $15 to $20 million it takes to fund a Pro Tour team for a year of racing.

    In this year’s 2009 Tour de France, Lance Armstrong sported black shoes with two of Nike’s large yellow swoosh’s on the side… with black socks of course.
    http://cyclingshoesonline.com/featur...am-radioshack/

    Does this mean Lance will give up those custom kicks he's been wearing? Seems a bit hypocritical. What if you have your own shoe contract but not considered a star like maybe Frischkorn and D2. Frankly I hated my Poggio III's...not that I'm in any danger of being offered a contract.

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    I am guessing you don't have to be a "star" to wear another brand, simply if you have your own shoe deal.

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    I don't get this thread. Nike sponsors "The Shack" and they expect the team to wear their product, unless they have a previous shoe/clothing contract. Lance is now a hypocrite? I must be missing something.

    Did we just need an excuse to call Lance a hypocrite? If so can we do it more clearly next time? Just a simple "Lance is a hypocrite, just cuz I say so" will do. Thanks

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    I guess finding good riders is far more important than having them wear Nikes. If a great rider is endorsing, say, SIDI, and wants in on The Shack, the last thing LA wants is for him to be unable to join the team because of his shoes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Christopher View Post
    I don't get this thread. Nike sponsors "The Shack" and they expect the team to wear their product, unless they have a previous shoe/clothing contract. Lance is now a hypocrite? I must be missing something.

    Did we just need an excuse to call Lance a hypocrite? If so can we do it more clearly next time? Just a simple "Lance is a hypocrite, just cuz I say so" will do. Thanks
    You are missing the fact that Lance doesn't wear Nikes either. Requiring someone else to use equipment you wouldn't use yourself is hypocritical. I guess you think his shoes are really Nikes because they have a purdy swoosh on them?

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    If Nike pays your company to make something for Nike.....then it is Nike. Just like any other producer. Nike outsources all kinds of stuff all the time. As do many big corporations. Ex. GM sells both the Vibe (Toyota Matrix) and the Aveo (Daewoo?). Both are still GM cars. Lance isn't a hypocrite for making his employees do as he wants. He's the boss. Either way if his shoes are labelled Nike....then they are Nike. By next year he'll probably have shoes made for him anyway. He's simply keeping his sponsors happy by making sure his employees wear the sponsors shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 800over View Post
    If Nike pays your company to make something for Nike.....then it is Nike. Just like any other producer. Nike outsources all kinds of stuff all the time. As do many big corporations. Ex. GM sells both the Vibe (Toyota Matrix) and the Aveo (Daewoo?). Both are still GM cars. Lance isn't a hypocrite for making his employees do as he wants. He's the boss. Either way if his shoes are labelled Nike....then they are Nike. By next year he'll probably have shoes made for him anyway. He's simply keeping his sponsors happy by making sure his employees wear the sponsors shoes.
    I'm not sure I'm following your logic. If Cervelo were to make his bike, and it was painted up and had Trek decals, would you say he's riding a Trek? It's one thing if there's a business arrangement in place, and you could buy said hypothetical Cervelo labeled as a Trek, perhaps we could agree that - through the miracle of branding - it's a Trek. But if he were to just get one and paint it up for the sake of appearance, it would seem to merely be false advertising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USAZorro View Post
    I'm not sure I'm following your logic. If Cervelo were to make his bike, and it was painted up and had Trek decals, would you say he's riding a Trek? It's one thing if there's a business arrangement in place, and you could buy said hypothetical Cervelo labeled as a Trek, perhaps we could agree that - through the miracle of branding - it's a Trek. But if he were to just get one and paint it up for the sake of appearance, it would seem to merely be false advertising.
    Ask you buddy LeMond what kind of Huffy he rode in the TDF? I don't think anyone sued him.

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    When Nike started sponsoring Tiger Woods, all he did was wear their logo on some clothes. Now Nike has a full range of clubs, balls, clothes, and bags. Same thing for Michael Jordan and his basketball shoes. It's a little late to jump on the Lance bandwagon for them and develop a full line of bike equipment, but I imagine they might try to expand a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quel View Post
    When Nike started sponsoring Tiger Woods, all he did was wear their logo on some clothes. Now Nike has a full range of clubs, balls, clothes, and bags. Same thing for Michael Jordan and his basketball shoes. It's a little late to jump on the Lance bandwagon for them and develop a full line of bike equipment, but I imagine they might try to expand a bit.
    I certainly hope so! The more competition the better.

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    This is done all the time in professional tennis. Logo gets strung because the pro can't make the adjustment to the new equipment. The LA bash parade continues....

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    Quote Originally Posted by julian View Post
    Ask you buddy LeMond what kind of Huffy he rode in the TDF? I don't think anyone sued him.
    That's actually kind of the point. If you're talking about the Serotta/Huffy, the general public could purchase a comparable bicycle branded as a Huffy. If Nike doesn't make the shoes, and you can't buy comparable branded as Nike, it would be different. That would put it in the realm of Tom Simpson's "Peugeot" (which was actually a Masi). You couldn't go to your LBS, and order a "PX-10" that was "just like Simpson's".

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    Lance has no say in what shoes people on his team wear. It's Nike who decides. They're the ones footing a bunch as sponsors. Ultimately, it's up to them to decide whether or not people on the team can wear competitors shoes because of prior contracts, not Lance. I think it was a good gesture to smooth the contracts out, especially considering they're the official sponsors. I think it's pretty standard and some of you guys are making mountains out of mole hills; seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proteos View Post
    Lance has no say in what shoes people on his team wear. It's Nike who decides. They're the ones footing a bunch as sponsors. Ultimately, it's up to them to decide whether or not people on the team can wear competitors shoes because of prior contracts, not Lance. I think it was a good gesture to smooth the contracts out, especially considering they're the official sponsors. I think it's pretty standard and some of you guys are making mountains out of mole hills; seriously.
    I had heard that most pro contracts actually don't require riders to wear a certain kind of shoe, or ride a certain type of saddle. Those are two personal choice items that can seriously affect a rider's performance, and while they might get incentives, they often are not forced to use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proteos View Post
    Lance has no say in what shoes people on his team wear. It's Nike who decides.
    Nike is only involved because of Lance, therefore he has 100% say in it. It could very well be that Nike just wants people to wear Nike sneakers on the podium. I have a hard time believing they're really going to get back in the shoe making business, but then maybe the ones Cavendish and others have been wearing will suddenly hit the market next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAZorro View Post
    I'm not sure I'm following your logic. If Cervelo were to make his bike, and it was painted up and had Trek decals, would you say he's riding a Trek? It's one thing if there's a business arrangement in place, and you could buy said hypothetical Cervelo labeled as a Trek, perhaps we could agree that - through the miracle of branding - it's a Trek. But if he were to just get one and paint it up for the sake of appearance, it would seem to merely be false advertising.
    So we agree. If Nike calls up whoever supplies Bontrager with shoes....or any other manufacturer for that matter, and says make me a shoe in this colour and in with this logo......then it's a Nike. In fact if Nike called up Cervelo and said make me a thousand RS's in Silver with Nike on them (and Cervelo agreed) then yes it would be a Nike bike. Do you think that Nike actually designs all the product they sell? Or would you agree that John Q waterbottle maker just silk screens the swoosh onto some bottles of with Nike's specifications (replace bottle with gym bag/sweater/golf ball/soccer ball/socks/etc). It's all still Nike. I'm sure Nike is working on next season's shoes right now......

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    So my cervelo water bottle wasn't made in italy by cervelo? Awww Shux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 800over View Post
    So we agree. If Nike calls up whoever supplies Bontrager with shoes....or any other manufacturer for that matter, and says make me a shoe in this colour and in with this logo......then it's a Nike. In fact if Nike called up Cervelo and said make me a thousand RS's in Silver with Nike on them (and Cervelo agreed) then yes it would be a Nike bike. Do you think that Nike actually designs all the product they sell? Or would you agree that John Q waterbottle maker just silk screens the swoosh onto some bottles of with Nike's specifications (replace bottle with gym bag/sweater/golf ball/soccer ball/socks/etc). It's all still Nike. I'm sure Nike is working on next season's shoes right now......
    But if Nike buys a pair of Sidis for a rider, takes the Sidi logos off, and puts theirs on - then it's merely dishonesty. The line isn't crystal clear, but there is a line there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USAZorro View Post
    But if Nike buys a pair of Sidis for a rider, takes the Sidi logos off, and puts theirs on - then it's merely dishonesty. The line isn't crystal clear, but there is a line there.
    SIDI probably won't do it, since their brand is so famous.

    In that case, Nike will just relent and put their logos on other kits. Heck, who notices the shoes anyway? Its the jersey, front and center, that counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbayoo View Post
    http://cyclingshoesonline.com/featur...am-radioshack/

    Does this mean Lance will give up those custom kicks he's been wearing? Seems a bit hypocritical.
    I see nothing at all hypocritical about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAZorro View Post
    I had heard that most pro contracts actually don't require riders to wear a certain kind of shoe, or ride a certain type of saddle. Those are two personal choice items that can seriously affect a rider's performance, and while they might get incentives, they often are not forced to use them.
    A guy I know either has to wear the sponsor shoes, or shoe covers at all races and group rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
    A guy I know either has to wear the sponsor shoes, or shoe covers at all races and group rides.
    What level is this fellow riding?

    Is it his personal sponsorship, or his team's?
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    I refuse to buy Nikes.. What if the cycist finds them uncomfortable. . Pretty head strong for someone not a major sponsor of the team.
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    Who says the shoes have to be off the shelf Nike's? I'm pretty sure they will be custom to whatever extent they need to be for the rider . No Professional Team has it in their best interest to have a rider wear anything that will impair his/her performance. . . so the shoe may say Nike . . . but what it's made with and how may not be anything like the retail shoes.

    I say it's no big deal they have to wear Nike logo'd shoes . It's underneath that logo that counts.

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    Pro teams have done this forever. Guys riding rebranded bikes, wheels, saddles etc to meet their teams sponsors needs has been going on since sponsors first started paying the bills.

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