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Old 07-15-04, 10:02 AM   #1
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LeMond criticizes Armstrong?

I read it here:

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2577428

I have tremendous respect for LeMond, and I really like him as a person. If he's saying something like this, it really leaves me wondering if there isn't something going on with Armstrong, mainly because LeMond really is the nicest guy.... I haven't heard him saying bad things about anyone.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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LeMond takes a swipe at Lance

It was reported today the Greg said in an interview that "He didn't know how much longer Lance could keep up his facade". He was referring to the doping allegations in the book.

Are there past issues between the two? I have to say I was suprised to hear this from LeMond.
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Old 07-15-04, 10:07 AM   #3
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There has been a "slight" feud between these two for awhile.
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LeMond has always said that Lance has to be doping. I guess that means he was doping when he won also. Idiot. I don't know if he's bitter because Lance will overshadow him in American Cycling history or what. Seems strange.
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I read it here:

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2577428

I have tremendous respect for LeMond, and I really like him as a person. If he's saying something like this, it really leaves me wondering if there isn't something going on with Armstrong, mainly because LeMond really is the nicest guy.... I haven't heard him saying bad things about anyone.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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We started threads at the same time. Great minds ya know...

I was surprised to hear this from LeMond. He has always seemed very professional, not that his comments were over the top. It does make me wonder a little. If it comes out that it is true, it will be a HUGE blow for cycling in America. I can only imagine the extent of the damage if the charges are correct. If he is up to something it must be pretty sophisticated because he knows about the strict testing.

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Well, here is the clincher quote for me:

"I was a big supporter of Lance the first year that he won the Tour," LeMond was quoted as saying. "But with all these stories it's difficult to stay a supporter."

I would think he would only speak out against Armstrong if he had first hand knowledge about him doping. From the quote above, he is simply basing all of this on what the media is reporting/questioning. That doesn't sit well with me. I have lost a lot of respect for LeMond with that quote. He is simply adding to the media frenzy, based on what's been said in the media! That's not right!

We may never know if Armstrong has/hasn't doped. But, if you have the stature of Greg LeMond, you should keep your MOUTH SHUT unless you have absolute first hand knowledge of wrong-doing.
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"I was a big supporter of Lance the first year that he won the Tour," LeMond was quoted as saying. "But with all these stories it's difficult to stay a supporter."

When in the hell did LeMond support Lance. He was one of the first ones to jump on the doping accusation bandwagon when the first round of accusations came out. This is a longstanding "feud." I'm not sure why Greg would be so adamant about it, but it dissapoints me to a degree. If it is ever proven that Lance did use drugs, then I suppose Greg will be vindicated and can put an asterisk next to Lance's wins and still feel that he is the greatest of American cycling. But if he's so sure that Lance has to be doping to win the Tour so many times, what does that say about his wins?
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Old 07-15-04, 10:16 AM   #8
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Greg has said this in the past. But he retracted his comments...Let's see, who owns LeMond bikes? What bike does Lance ride? Let's see how long before Greg gets a call from Waterloo. In anycase, Greg need a little attention.
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LeMond's accusation to Lance Armstrong

In case you haven't heard, Greg Lemond made an accusatory statement that LAnce was likely guilty of drug abuse. I say boycott Greg Lemond and all of his products, NOW!
Lemond is a has-been and knows it, and is grasping at a desperate straw to remain "important" rather than "impotent".
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Old 07-15-04, 10:23 AM   #10
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...Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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This conversation may explain why Lemond is taking the tack he's taken. Click on the link "here": http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php...ond#post507368
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That conversation makes me think that LeMond might be making sense here.
But I have heard him say plenty of wild things about how he would have won more Tours... in ways that makes him sound like he may have a problem with another US cyclist becoming more successful.
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Yes, we've had the discussion about that woman who said she was ordered by Lance to go back and retrieve the drugs from his hotel room. We also know Lance is vigorously denying it, and he's suing the author because of the claims made, which is so much wose since this is happening right up to and during the Tour. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I always assumed Lance was being tested six ways from Sunday anyway- I just don't see what drug would miss so many tests, especially the surprise tests and the tests performed when he's voluntarily gone in and asked them to test him to prove his innocence. If there's something there, it's a mighty powerful drug that no one knows about yet.

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Old 07-15-04, 10:30 AM   #13
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wWell if it is true that will be sad if it is true and he does not get caught think what it will do to him to live with a fake victory.. If he did not hey may suffer with all of the accusations.
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LeMond is a French name so it's natural that he dislikes Lance. All French hate Lance, right? Or is it just the French media?
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Yes, we've had the discussion about that woman who said she was ordered by Lance to go back and retrieve the drugs from his hotel room. Koffee
If you go to the link "here" in the above post, it will take you to a transcript of a phone conversation between Lance and Lemond in which, according to Lemond's wife, Lance insinuates that Lemond used EPO and essentially tries to bait Lemond into admitting it. It has nothing to do with Emma O'Reilly.
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Whoops, sorry. I got it.

Thanks!

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Old 07-15-04, 10:38 AM   #18
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What link?
You need an espresso this morning.

Click on the word "here" that is underlined.
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Yes, we've had the discussion about that woman who said she was ordered by Lance to go back and retrieve the drugs from his hotel room. We also know Lance is vigorously denying it, and he's suing the author because of the claims made, which is so much wose since this is happening right up to and during the Tour. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I always assumed Lance was being tested six ways from Sunday anyway- I just don't see what drug would miss so many tests, especially the surprise tests and the tests performed when he's voluntarily gone in and asked them to test him to prove his innocence. If there's something there, it's a mighty powerful drug that no one knows about yet.

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Yes, Lance is asked to pee after stages, during the off-season, at his home in Austin by UCI officials who arrive unannounced.

Common sense would dictate that with all this scrutiny plus all the former and present team members who have ridden with Lance there would be a bigger "smoking gun" than this weak journalistic effort by Walsh
with no real supporting evidence.
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That's the problem, Don. That word is not underlined in my browser, and there's nothing clickable in that post you did just before I asked. But I went to the post you did right above it and clicked on the other link you provided: http://bikeforums.net/showthread.ph...mond#post507368

Did you have an additional link?

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LeMond raced in the late 80's and Early 90's Every team was on the dope back then. It had been going on for over 80 years at this point.

The team doctors job was not to hand out asprin, it was to medically prepare the riders for the race. Delgado tested positive, so was his number one domestique Indurain clean? If the Spanish were doping, and beating the French, would the French not dope?

Fignon never tested positive did he? But a year ago he stated "Everyone talks about doping this days, maybe I did dope, but I did what I had to do. If I die before I'm 50, thats my problem"

Brunyeel and Ekimov were racing then too, and It's not like the Belgians or Russians have a very good reputation when it comes to competing clean.

In 2001 the 2nd Stage started in France, and ended in Belgium. The winner of the stage recieved and audience with the King, and a $20,000 diamond. As the peleton approached the border, the Flemish Government told the UCI that all post race durg testing would be conducted by Flemish Labs, and not the UCI. This did not sit well with the UCI, as the Flemish labs were not equiped to test for EPO. None of that really mattered, as Mark Wauters, a Belgian, won the stage, and the Yellow Jersey. Not only was the stage winner NOT tested, no Belgian riders were tested that day.
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what a strange story in that link, doesn't sound very believable from either side.
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I forgot about them owning LeMond, that's funny. Seems like more reason for him to be jealous.
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That's the problem, Don. That word is not underlined in my browser, and there's nothing clickable in that post you did just before I asked. But I went to the post you did right above it and clicked on the other link you provided: http://bikeforums.net/showthread.ph...mond#post507368

Did you have an additional link?

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www.cyclingforums.com/t131191.html

You have to read through a bunch of crap posts to get to the english translation.
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LeMond raced in the late 80's and Early 90's Every team was on the dope back then. It had been going on for over 80 years at this point.

The team doctors job was not to hand out asprin, it was to medically prepare the riders for the race. Delgado tested positive, so was his number one domestique Indurain clean? If the Spanish were doping, and beating the French, would the French not dope?

Fignon never tested positive did he? But a year ago he stated "Everyone talks about doping this days, maybe I did dope, but I did what I had to do. If I die before I'm 50, thats my problem"

Brunyeel and Ekimov were racing then too, and It's not like the Belgians or Russians have a very good reputation when it comes to competing clean.

In 2001 the 2nd Stage started in France, and ended in Belgium. The winner of the stage recieved and audience with the King, and a $20,000 diamond. As the peleton approached the border, the Flemish Government told the UCI that all post race durg testing would be conducted by Flemish Labs, and not the UCI. This did not sit well with the UCI, as the Flemish labs were not equiped to test for EPO. None of that really mattered, as Mark Wauters, a Belgian, won the stage, and the Yellow Jersey. Not only was the stage winner NOT tested, no Belgian riders were tested that day.
Personally, I do not buy in to the "guilt by association" theory with Lemond.
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