Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Professional Cycling For the Fans Follow the Tour de France,the Giro de Italia, the Spring Classics, or other professional cycling races? Here's your home...

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-18-04, 06:25 PM   #1
hdog
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Amerikills
Bikes:
Posts: 61
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
LA out of the saddle

Does anyone ride out of the saddle as much as Armstrong?
hdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-04, 06:59 PM   #2
Grampy™
Geezer Member
 
Grampy™'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
Bikes: Airborne, LeMond, Bianchi CX, Volae Century, Redline 925 (fixed) and a Burley Tandem.
Posts: 1,384
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Actually, when Lance is out of the saddle alot he is struggling (His words, not mine). He knows he is more efficient when he stays seated. To answer your question, it's the same reason he is winning the race...... he is in better shape.
Grampy™ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-04, 07:14 PM   #3
hdog
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Amerikills
Bikes:
Posts: 61
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I remember he did it quite a bit last year and I saw him doing it a bit on the CBS recap today.
hdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-04, 07:36 PM   #4
ed073
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Melbourne
Bikes: Scapin EOS7 sloping, 10v Record, Ksyriums
Posts: 6,411
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by hdog
Does anyone ride out of the saddle as much as Armstrong?

not many these days....

Marco Pantani (RIP)
Thierry Claveyrolat (RIP)
Lucho Herrera
Richard Virenque

The "pure" climbers tend to be in and out of the saddle all the time....constantly changing the pace and tempo to either get away or thin out the group. Ass soon as they sense the pace dropping, they'll spring out of the seat and accelerate.
ed073 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-04, 07:44 PM   #5
Gustaf
Senior Member
 
Gustaf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Seattle
Bikes:
Posts: 539
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Richard Virenque is out a lot of the time.
Gustaf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-04, 07:48 PM   #6
roadbuzz
Just ride.
 
roadbuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: C-ville, Va
Bikes:
Posts: 3,246
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ed073
The "pure" climbers tend to be in and out of the saddle all the time
Basically, the lighter you are, the less difference in effort between standing and sitting.

Notice Lance's cadence when he's out of the saddle... he's often turning a higher cadence than the guys around him that are sitting.
roadbuzz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-04, 07:49 PM   #7
ed073
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Melbourne
Bikes: Scapin EOS7 sloping, 10v Record, Ksyriums
Posts: 6,411
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by roadbuzz
Basically, the lighter you are, the less difference in effort between standing and sitting.
true.
ed073 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-04, 08:42 PM   #8
Scooby Snax
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Umm, to give the boy's a breather?
I mean, isnt that why you stand up now and then? I sure do.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-04, 09:01 PM   #9
SamDaBikinMan
Crank Crushing Redneck
 
SamDaBikinMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: A van down by the river.
Bikes: Bikes are environmentally damaging
Posts: 2,600
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooby Snax
Umm, to give the boy's a breather?
I mean, isnt that why you stand up now and then? I sure do.
YUP!

I will stand once every 15-20 minutes for about 20-50 pedal strokes to break up the discomfort of being seated too damnd long.
SamDaBikinMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-04, 09:37 PM   #10
brent_dube
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Bikes:
Posts: 1,296
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooby Snax
Umm, to give the boy's a breather?
I mean, isnt that why you stand up now and then? I sure do.
But sometimes it seems like he is out of the saddle more often than sitting!
He must have a really efficient technique in standing.
brent_dube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-04, 11:30 PM   #11
drroebuck
Ride.
 
drroebuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by brent_dube
But sometimes it seems like he is out of the saddle more often than sitting!
He must have a really efficient technique in standing.
Well, if you notice, his shoulders barely move when he's dancing on the pedals.
drroebuck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-04, 09:58 AM   #12
Allen H
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Piedmont, CA
Bikes: '04 LeMond Buenos Aires
Posts: 584
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by drroebuck
Well, if you notice, his shoulders barely move when he's dancing on the pedals.
Lance out of the saddle is a great contrast to Voeckler's climbing on the Pyrenees stages - his shoulders and body were swaying and rocking a lot, which must be less efficient.
Allen H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-04, 10:02 AM   #13
cyclingshane73
Compulsive Upgrader
 
cyclingshane73's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Bikes: 2002 Kona Deluxe (road), 2001 Cove Stiffee (mtb)
Posts: 603
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allen H
Lance out of the saddle is a great contrast to Voeckler's climbing on the Pyrenees stages - his shoulders and body were swaying and rocking a lot, which must be less efficient.
Not only that, Voeckler is all bow legged. He didn't look confortable at all. The man's got my admiration though that's for sure. Kid's got a lot of heart.
__________________
"No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs. We should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed, and love of power." -P.J. O'Rourke
cyclingshane73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-04, 10:43 AM   #14
brent_dube
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Bikes:
Posts: 1,296
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by drroebuck
Well, if you notice, his shoulders barely move when he's dancing on the pedals.
Excellent technique, considering how high his cadence is (I figure it would be much easier to stay smooth when standing at a lower cadence)
brent_dube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-04, 10:52 AM   #15
rygreen
In Difficulty
 
rygreen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Portland, Maine, USA
Bikes: Bianchi Brava
Posts: 138
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by stiffee_shane
Not only that, Voeckler is all bow legged. He didn't look confortable at all. The man's got my admiration though that's for sure. Kid's got a lot of heart.
I noticed the bow-leggedness too. It seemed like his right knee especially was way out away from the frame. I was wondering if he was favoring a saddle sore or something.
rygreen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-04, 11:05 AM   #16
ManBearPig
1/2 man,1/2 bear,1/2 pig
 
ManBearPig's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: .
Bikes: .
Posts: 1,122
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by hdog
Does anyone ride out of the saddle as much as Armstrong?
I noticed alotta riders riding very forward on their seat...with their boys on the nose of the saddle...ouch! Why?
ManBearPig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-04, 01:04 PM   #17
Crack'n'fail
Photog Extraordinaire
 
Crack'n'fail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Bikes: Santa Cruz Chameleon, Cannondale R800 (CAAD4) with Dura-Ace upgrade
Posts: 863
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
sitting on the nose of the seat is where you get the most leverage on your pedals, it's where they slide to when they are digging deep either due to fatigue or desire to put in an extreme effort.

I move back and forth between sitting and standing on climbs a lot too. I'm about to turn 35 and I think that as you age the back gets a little less forgiving and you need to shake it up more. Lance is getting up their in pro-cycling years, maybe that's part of it?
Crack'n'fail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-04, 01:11 PM   #18
timmhaan
more ape than man
 
timmhaan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: nyc
Bikes:
Posts: 8,093
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crack'n'fail
sitting on the nose of the seat is where you get the most leverage on your pedals, it's where they slide to when they are digging deep either due to fatigue or desire to put in an extreme effort.

I move back and forth between sitting and standing on climbs a lot too. I'm about to turn 35 and I think that as you age the back gets a little less forgiving and you need to shake it up more. Lance is getting up their in pro-cycling years, maybe that's part of it?
yep - moving around on the saddle and/or standing up once in a while uses the leg muscles differently and is a great way to keep them fresh.
timmhaan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:55 AM.