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johnny99 09-12-09 12:02 AM

what kind of rinky-dink bike races to they run in the USA?
 
During today's time trial stage in the Tour of Missouri, Anibal Borrajo was hit by a VIP car and forced off the road. He broke is front wheel and lost 10 minutes until a mechanic arrived and he finally finished the stage in last place.

Gustav Larsson was forced to stop in the middle of the time trial by motorcycles that were stopped in the middle of the course. When the motorcycles got out of the way and Larsson finally got back up to speed, he had to stop again for the same motorcycles that had stopped a second time. Larsson finished second in the stage (and is now second overall). Could he have won without the interference?

Does $hit like this ever happen in the Tour de France??

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/traf...missouri-fight

rogwilco 09-12-09 02:39 AM

Accidents happen, but the thing Larsson really sucks, I would be ****ing furious if I were him.

carpediemracing 09-12-09 04:28 AM

I was going to post a thread here if someone else didn't.

Tour of Missouri is an embarrassment to US racing.

The attitude is "Hey, it's Tour of Missouri". That's fine for a Cat 3 race, not for a UCI race that attracts some of the best talent around.

I've helped in one stage race at that level. Fine, the race had some traffic problems in one particular stage, it was lack of coordination between different jurisdictions (state vs local) as well as an insistence by the state that the race be re-routed through some extremely busy roads (because a new library was opening there). I never saw the library, just the stacked up cars trying to get off the course into traffic almost literally gridlocked.

However, it wasn't the race personnel causing the problems. That stinks of incompetence and favoritism. Incompetence because the drivers obviously aren't paying attention to the racers, and the organizers are letting the wrong people drive in the wrong places. Favoritism because it's painfully apparent that the drivers were NOT selected for their attentive driving habits.

They should pay less for the riders' start fees and pay some of the race personnel a bit more money (and hire them blind, not because they're friends of the promoters). Then they can actually choose who works for them and get competent people.

cdr

daxr 09-12-09 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny99 (Post 9660657)

Does $hit like this ever happen in the Tour de France??

well, I can recall dogs wandering into the road and taking riders out, a photographer taking out the leader on Alp d'huez, LA having to elbow his way through spectators on poorly organized climbs, others hit with cell phones, cut with those big green hands, unpopular riders getting spit on, many instances of gravel in the road on hairpin descents taking riders out, melted fresh tar on a descent basically ended Beloki's career, there have been confusing course directions and wrong turns, motorcycle cameramen regularly get yelled at to get out of the way...etc.

Crap happens. They have a lot more experience and very high expectations over there, but crap still happens.

lukasz 09-12-09 09:31 PM

The racing has been more exciting than the Vuelta.

dwc032 09-12-09 10:09 PM

Yah that is a joke wat happen to Larsson!

The Cascade Cycling Classic here in Bend, Oregon is all escorted by local police, Sheriff, and State Troopers. The roads are closed down and there seems to run smoothly. Levi won it a couple years ago and a guy from Rock Racing won it this year.

Laggard 09-12-09 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lukasz (Post 9664908)
The racing has been more exciting than the Vuelta.

Oh dear god.

CatSkratch 09-12-09 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny99 (Post 9660657)
Does $hit like this ever happen in the Tour de France??

No. The Tour de France is worse. There have been about 30 spectators killed during the race and lets not forget Lance Armstrong being taken down by a spectator in one of the most crucial stages ever.
There are too many instances to list.

Laggard 09-12-09 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CatSkratch (Post 9665108)
No. The Tour de France is worse. There have been about 30 spectators killed during the race and lets not forget Lance Armstrong being taken down by a spectator in one of the most crucial stages ever.
There are too many instances to list.

The TDF has also been run 96 times so there are bound to be more incidents than at a rinky dink race being run only twice and being viewed live by a small fraction of the people who line the roads in France every July.

abstractform20 09-13-09 12:15 AM

why would you tour missouri

tperez11 09-13-09 07:57 AM

Missouri, along with California and Georgia, have been able to put on statewide races attracting top talent from around the world. Why Missouri? Because we can and did.

MGtrack 09-13-09 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by abstractform20 (Post 9665351)
why would you tour missouri

+1

They should have a race to escape from missouri. Unfortuntately,the states that surround it are not much of an improvement.

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/ima...a/missouri.jpg

Caad 8 09-13-09 02:21 PM

So it was a WOMAN driving that hit the cyclist. I'm not surprised.

johnny99 09-13-09 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lukasz (Post 9664908)
The racing has been more exciting than the Vuelta.

You've got to be kidding. The last 3 days of the Vuelta have been epic.

In contrast, the only action in the Tour of Missouri is the last 1 minute of each stage. I watched a couple of stages of the ToM over the internet, then gave up since there was so little action. The 2 minute highlight shows show you everything you need to know about what happened that day.

I do not see the point of having a stage race in a boring state like Missouri. After watching the stage on TV, is anyone really inspired to fly to Missouri to ride your bike?

DenisMenchov 09-13-09 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatSkratch (Post 9665108)
No. The Tour de France is worse. There have been about 30 spectators killed during the race and lets not forget Lance Armstrong being taken down by a spectator in one of the most crucial stages ever.
There are too many instances to list.

Let's not forget his amazing comeback as well from that fall. Accidents happen no matter what. A true champion must rise despite whatever accident occurs.

waltersc 09-14-09 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laggard (Post 9665187)
The TDF has also been run 96 times so there are bound to be more incidents than at a rinky dink race being run only twice and being viewed live by a small fraction of the people who line the roads in France every July.

Tour of Missouri has been running for three years. Medalist Sports promotes and helps organize the race for the LOC. Many of the contractors for Medalist Sports have participated in all of the Tours of California and Tours of Georgia. Accidents happen; I hope those responsible for the accidents are not allowed to participate again.

tigershark 09-14-09 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by abstractform20 (Post 9665351)
why would you tour missouri

IDK why they have a race there but Missouri IMO is really ****ty, their roads are terrible too. Oh and can't we think of something more creative than King of the Mountains because lets be honest, there is not single mountain in the whole damn state.

tperez11 09-14-09 11:42 AM

I don't get the whining. How many stage races are there in the US? How many attract top european riders? So we get a few and you guys piss and moan about the state of Missouri and the roads. And it was boring etc.

Really? The roads are terrible? Unlike Paris - Roubaix or any of the other spring classics. And I don't think Kansas should be throwing any rocks at that glass house.

Here is an idea: Stop trashing the TOM and spend some time supporting the rides that do come here and become an advocate for more races. I'm sure the Tour of Texas or Kansas would build on the importance of US cycling.

lukasz 09-14-09 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny99 (Post 9667689)
You've got to be kidding. The last 3 days of the Vuelta have been epic.

In contrast, the only action in the Tour of Missouri is the last 1 minute of each stage. I watched a couple of stages of the ToM over the internet, then gave up since there was so little action. The 2 minute highlight shows show you everything you need to know about what happened that day.

I do not see the point of having a stage race in a boring state like Missouri. After watching the stage on TV, is anyone really inspired to fly to Missouri to ride your bike?

Epic? The most exciting thing to happen has been Cadel Evans' botched wheel change. The GC contenders have been racing in a robotic, calculated manner. The Spanish press has been complaining about how boring the race has been.

Keith99 09-14-09 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by daxr (Post 9662280)
well, I can recall dogs wandering into the road and taking riders out, a photographer taking out the leader on Alp d'huez, LA having to elbow his way through spectators on poorly organized climbs, others hit with cell phones, cut with those big green hands, unpopular riders getting spit on, many instances of gravel in the road on hairpin descents taking riders out, melted fresh tar on a descent basically ended Beloki's career, there have been confusing course directions and wrong turns, motorcycle cameramen regularly get yelled at to get out of the way...etc.

Crap happens. They have a lot more experience and very high expectations over there, but crap still happens.

Thanks, I remembered Beloki but was drawing a blank on his name.

One I can add, in the years I 've been watching the TDF they also had an incident where the Peleton was ahead of the fastest expected pace. A breakaway made it thtough a train crossing before the gates were down, the chase did not.

One of the classics has 2 winners, due to misdirection the lead group and the chase group took different routes. No rider error involved. The chase group finished first but never passed the lead group.

I vaguely recall a wrong way car incident, I think in the TDF. Just because there was no damage does not make the screwup less.

waltersc 09-14-09 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tperez11 (Post 9672427)
i don't get the whining. How many stage races are there in the us? How many attract top european riders? So we get a few and you guys piss and moan about the state of missouri and the roads. And it was boring etc.

Really? The roads are terrible? Unlike paris - roubaix or any of the other spring classics. And i don't think kansas should be throwing any rocks at that glass house.

Here is an idea: Stop trashing the tom and spend some time supporting the rides that do come here and become an advocate for more races. I'm sure the tour of texas or kansas would build on the importance of us cycling.

+1

Keith99 09-14-09 01:18 PM

Add one more for the TDF, Abdu's crash. Policeman who was supposed to be controling things was where he should not have been.

hipcheck5 09-14-09 06:42 PM

Ummm, some of you really need to sit down for six or seven hours and research races in Europe, you might change your mind ripping on the ToM.

Glenn1234 09-14-09 11:12 PM

Here's a thing I really didn't realize until I ran across it looking around for stories. Floyd Landis is back on the bike now, I think as of the Tour of Missouri (correct me if I'm wrong on that).

Anyway, I found it interesting, at least to see what he's saying now about what happened:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1441009.html

yellowjeep 09-14-09 11:51 PM

He has been riding for OUCH all year.

A tour of KS would be really pretty boring. Could you imagine riding though Western KS for 4-5 hours, **** atleast MO has some trees to look at. I like KS actually but I am glad I live close enough to to see some good racing in KCMO just glad I don't actually live in MO ;).

How about a Tour of the Rockies though UT and CO or bring back the Coors Classic? That would be a great race IMO.


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