Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 57
  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    10,371
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    what kind of rinky-dink bike races to they run in the USA?

    During today's time trial stage in the Tour of Missouri, Anibal Borrajo was hit by a VIP car and forced off the road. He broke is front wheel and lost 10 minutes until a mechanic arrived and he finally finished the stage in last place.

    Gustav Larsson was forced to stop in the middle of the time trial by motorcycles that were stopped in the middle of the course. When the motorcycles got out of the way and Larsson finally got back up to speed, he had to stop again for the same motorcycles that had stopped a second time. Larsson finished second in the stage (and is now second overall). Could he have won without the interference?

    Does $hit like this ever happen in the Tour de France??

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/traf...missouri-fight

  2. #2
    snob rogwilco's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Vienna
    Posts
    1,178
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Accidents happen, but the thing Larsson really sucks, I would be ****ing furious if I were him.

  3. #3
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Tariffville, CT
    My Bikes
    Tsunami Bikes
    Posts
    12,292
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I was going to post a thread here if someone else didn't.

    Tour of Missouri is an embarrassment to US racing.

    The attitude is "Hey, it's Tour of Missouri". That's fine for a Cat 3 race, not for a UCI race that attracts some of the best talent around.

    I've helped in one stage race at that level. Fine, the race had some traffic problems in one particular stage, it was lack of coordination between different jurisdictions (state vs local) as well as an insistence by the state that the race be re-routed through some extremely busy roads (because a new library was opening there). I never saw the library, just the stacked up cars trying to get off the course into traffic almost literally gridlocked.

    However, it wasn't the race personnel causing the problems. That stinks of incompetence and favoritism. Incompetence because the drivers obviously aren't paying attention to the racers, and the organizers are letting the wrong people drive in the wrong places. Favoritism because it's painfully apparent that the drivers were NOT selected for their attentive driving habits.

    They should pay less for the riders' start fees and pay some of the race personnel a bit more money (and hire them blind, not because they're friends of the promoters). Then they can actually choose who works for them and get competent people.

    cdr

  4. #4
    Senior Member daxr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    K.F., Orygun
    My Bikes
    08 Giant Boulder, 08 Scattante XLR
    Posts
    905
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post

    Does $hit like this ever happen in the Tour de France??
    well, I can recall dogs wandering into the road and taking riders out, a photographer taking out the leader on Alp d'huez, LA having to elbow his way through spectators on poorly organized climbs, others hit with cell phones, cut with those big green hands, unpopular riders getting spit on, many instances of gravel in the road on hairpin descents taking riders out, melted fresh tar on a descent basically ended Beloki's career, there have been confusing course directions and wrong turns, motorcycle cameramen regularly get yelled at to get out of the way...etc.

    Crap happens. They have a lot more experience and very high expectations over there, but crap still happens.
    "... the age of Happy Motoring is over. Many Americans have already bought their last car -- they just don't know it yet."

    James Howard Kunstler, 2008.

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    NYC - where bicycles go to die
    Posts
    1,312
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The racing has been more exciting than the Vuelta.

  6. #6
    Senior Member dwc032's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Oregon
    My Bikes
    Giant
    Posts
    54
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Yah that is a joke wat happen to Larsson!

    The Cascade Cycling Classic here in Bend, Oregon is all escorted by local police, Sheriff, and State Troopers. The roads are closed down and there seems to run smoothly. Levi won it a couple years ago and a guy from Rock Racing won it this year.

  7. #7
    Lance Hater Laggard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Minneapolis
    Posts
    4,316
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by lukasz View Post
    The racing has been more exciting than the Vuelta.
    Oh dear god.
    i may have overreacted

  8. #8
    Banned.
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    85
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post
    Does $hit like this ever happen in the Tour de France??
    No. The Tour de France is worse. There have been about 30 spectators killed during the race and lets not forget Lance Armstrong being taken down by a spectator in one of the most crucial stages ever.
    There are too many instances to list.

  9. #9
    Lance Hater Laggard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Minneapolis
    Posts
    4,316
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by CatSkratch View Post
    No. The Tour de France is worse. There have been about 30 spectators killed during the race and lets not forget Lance Armstrong being taken down by a spectator in one of the most crucial stages ever.
    There are too many instances to list.
    The TDF has also been run 96 times so there are bound to be more incidents than at a rinky dink race being run only twice and being viewed live by a small fraction of the people who line the roads in France every July.
    i may have overreacted

  10. #10
    Senior Member abstractform20's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    2,889
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    why would you tour missouri

  11. #11
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    6
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Missouri, along with California and Georgia, have been able to put on statewide races attracting top talent from around the world. Why Missouri? Because we can and did.

  12. #12
    Old School Track Guy MGtrack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Frisco, Texas
    Posts
    198
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by abstractform20 View Post
    why would you tour missouri
    +1

    They should have a race to escape from missouri. Unfortuntately,the states that surround it are not much of an improvement.

    "You've got to be willing to rip it all apart. Including yourself."
    ---Steve Woznik -- Multi time USA Sprint and Kilo Champion, Pan Am Games Gold Medalist


  13. #13
    Cat-5-O-Meter: Training Caad 8's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    California
    My Bikes
    Cannondale Caad 8
    Posts
    890
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    So it was a WOMAN driving that hit the cyclist. I'm not surprised.

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    10,371
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by lukasz View Post
    The racing has been more exciting than the Vuelta.
    You've got to be kidding. The last 3 days of the Vuelta have been epic.

    In contrast, the only action in the Tour of Missouri is the last 1 minute of each stage. I watched a couple of stages of the ToM over the internet, then gave up since there was so little action. The 2 minute highlight shows show you everything you need to know about what happened that day.

    I do not see the point of having a stage race in a boring state like Missouri. After watching the stage on TV, is anyone really inspired to fly to Missouri to ride your bike?

  15. #15
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    751
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by CatSkratch View Post
    No. The Tour de France is worse. There have been about 30 spectators killed during the race and lets not forget Lance Armstrong being taken down by a spectator in one of the most crucial stages ever.
    There are too many instances to list.
    Let's not forget his amazing comeback as well from that fall. Accidents happen no matter what. A true champion must rise despite whatever accident occurs.

  16. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    MABRA
    My Bikes
    Tarmac Pro, Giant TCX
    Posts
    190
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
    The TDF has also been run 96 times so there are bound to be more incidents than at a rinky dink race being run only twice and being viewed live by a small fraction of the people who line the roads in France every July.
    Tour of Missouri has been running for three years. Medalist Sports promotes and helps organize the race for the LOC. Many of the contractors for Medalist Sports have participated in all of the Tours of California and Tours of Georgia. Accidents happen; I hope those responsible for the accidents are not allowed to participate again.

  17. #17
    Senior Member tigershark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Overland Park, KS
    My Bikes
    2009 Allez Elite, 1980s Fuji Palisade
    Posts
    197
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by abstractform20 View Post
    why would you tour missouri
    IDK why they have a race there but Missouri IMO is really ****ty, their roads are terrible too. Oh and can't we think of something more creative than King of the Mountains because lets be honest, there is not single mountain in the whole damn state.

  18. #18
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    6
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I don't get the whining. How many stage races are there in the US? How many attract top european riders? So we get a few and you guys piss and moan about the state of Missouri and the roads. And it was boring etc.

    Really? The roads are terrible? Unlike Paris - Roubaix or any of the other spring classics. And I don't think Kansas should be throwing any rocks at that glass house.

    Here is an idea: Stop trashing the TOM and spend some time supporting the rides that do come here and become an advocate for more races. I'm sure the Tour of Texas or Kansas would build on the importance of US cycling.

  19. #19
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    NYC - where bicycles go to die
    Posts
    1,312
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post
    You've got to be kidding. The last 3 days of the Vuelta have been epic.

    In contrast, the only action in the Tour of Missouri is the last 1 minute of each stage. I watched a couple of stages of the ToM over the internet, then gave up since there was so little action. The 2 minute highlight shows show you everything you need to know about what happened that day.

    I do not see the point of having a stage race in a boring state like Missouri. After watching the stage on TV, is anyone really inspired to fly to Missouri to ride your bike?
    Epic? The most exciting thing to happen has been Cadel Evans' botched wheel change. The GC contenders have been racing in a robotic, calculated manner. The Spanish press has been complaining about how boring the race has been.

  20. #20
    Senior Member Keith99's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    5,734
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by daxr View Post
    well, I can recall dogs wandering into the road and taking riders out, a photographer taking out the leader on Alp d'huez, LA having to elbow his way through spectators on poorly organized climbs, others hit with cell phones, cut with those big green hands, unpopular riders getting spit on, many instances of gravel in the road on hairpin descents taking riders out, melted fresh tar on a descent basically ended Beloki's career, there have been confusing course directions and wrong turns, motorcycle cameramen regularly get yelled at to get out of the way...etc.

    Crap happens. They have a lot more experience and very high expectations over there, but crap still happens.
    Thanks, I remembered Beloki but was drawing a blank on his name.

    One I can add, in the years I 've been watching the TDF they also had an incident where the Peleton was ahead of the fastest expected pace. A breakaway made it thtough a train crossing before the gates were down, the chase did not.

    One of the classics has 2 winners, due to misdirection the lead group and the chase group took different routes. No rider error involved. The chase group finished first but never passed the lead group.

    I vaguely recall a wrong way car incident, I think in the TDF. Just because there was no damage does not make the screwup less.

  21. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    MABRA
    My Bikes
    Tarmac Pro, Giant TCX
    Posts
    190
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by tperez11 View Post
    i don't get the whining. How many stage races are there in the us? How many attract top european riders? So we get a few and you guys piss and moan about the state of missouri and the roads. And it was boring etc.

    Really? The roads are terrible? Unlike paris - roubaix or any of the other spring classics. And i don't think kansas should be throwing any rocks at that glass house.

    Here is an idea: Stop trashing the tom and spend some time supporting the rides that do come here and become an advocate for more races. I'm sure the tour of texas or kansas would build on the importance of us cycling.
    +1

  22. #22
    Senior Member Keith99's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    5,734
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Add one more for the TDF, Abdu's crash. Policeman who was supposed to be controling things was where he should not have been.

  23. #23
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    210
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Ummm, some of you really need to sit down for six or seven hours and research races in Europe, you might change your mind ripping on the ToM.

  24. #24
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    271
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Here's a thing I really didn't realize until I ran across it looking around for stories. Floyd Landis is back on the bike now, I think as of the Tour of Missouri (correct me if I'm wrong on that).

    Anyway, I found it interesting, at least to see what he's saying now about what happened:

    http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1441009.html

  25. #25
    Senior Member yellowjeep's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Lawrence
    Posts
    3,267
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    He has been riding for OUCH all year.

    A tour of KS would be really pretty boring. Could you imagine riding though Western KS for 4-5 hours, **** atleast MO has some trees to look at. I like KS actually but I am glad I live close enough to to see some good racing in KCMO just glad I don't actually live in MO .

    How about a Tour of the Rockies though UT and CO or bring back the Coors Classic? That would be a great race IMO.
    Last edited by yellowjeep; 09-14-09 at 11:58 PM.
    When in doubt, style it out.

    How to post full size pictures

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •