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Old 09-17-09, 12:00 PM   #26
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It seems to me releasing all this info results in more questions than answers, even with Wiggins. I don't think I would either in their place.
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Old 09-17-09, 01:08 PM   #27
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Unsubstantiated assertions and innuendo is the best you can come up with, eh? *yawn*

Wake me up when you have actual proof, e.g. test results, syringes found in his luggage, payments to Fuentes, "problems" with his biological passport, etc etc
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Which VO2Max would you like him to reveal:
a) a well rested VO2Max
b) VO2Max tested after 10 stages of TDF
c) VO2Max prior to the Verbier climb
What exactly do you think that would tell you?

There is considerable psychology involved in cycling and I can't imagine a rider wanting to reveal his performance metrics and potential weaknesses. Expecting them to make that data public is absurd and is not done in any other competitive sport. That's why they race.
Your post got me to thinking a bit.

How does anyone here think a doping organization can run a VO2 max test? Makes me think most here either have no idea at all what VO2 max means or at least haven't stopped to think about it.
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Well Contador was linked to Dr. Ferrari, the doping Dr.
Care to explain or show evidence of that link. I thought the initials "AC" were linked to the good doctor. Let me know if I'm wrong or you can admit you're wrong. I'm cool with either.
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Well Contador was linked to Dr. Ferrari, the doping Dr.
Say, shouldn't you be banned?
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Care to explain or show evidence of that link. I thought the initials "AC" were linked to the good doctor. Let me know if I'm wrong or you can admit you're wrong. I'm cool with either.
You can google it. His name was on the list linking him to Dr. Ferrari....but eventually disappeared...
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Well Contador was linked to Dr. Ferrari, the doping Dr.
So was Lance if I recall correctly.
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Old 09-17-09, 10:38 PM   #34
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Maybe he just trained hard and smart and kept his bodyfat low....usually results in a high VO2max.
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Old 09-17-09, 11:14 PM   #35
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Maybe he just trained hard and smart and kept his bodyfat low....usually results in a high VO2max.
I wouldn't rule out that possibility I guess. I wouldn't rule out doping as well.
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So was Lance if I recall correctly.

Yes he was. Another cause of continued suspicion of Armstrong.
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Or the more the likely, he's hiding his v02 max because he is doping.
Pro football teams don't give out accurate injury reports, they don't let media film practice sessions. In your view this must be because they are cheating and trying to cover it up. Thats a cynical viewpoint.

Competitors just don't like to pass along info to the competition.
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I wouldn't rule out that possibility I guess. I wouldn't rule out doping as well.
That Armstrong was doping? Yes, quite liklely.
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You can google it. His name was on the list linking him to Dr. Ferrari....but eventually disappeared...
No need for me to Google and I like how you dodged the question. You're clearly a liar. I am already familiar with the details of the misleading information you like to spread on this forum. Are you as ignorant and poorly informed as you appear? Because you appear like a dishonest and complete jerk when you spread misinformation like this. But I should thank you since now I have a very good reason to go figure out the ignore feature.

It will always be astonishing to me to see people like you purposefully spread misinformation about a pro cyclist. Jerk. Loser.
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Old 09-18-09, 07:57 AM   #40
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Are you as ignorant and poorly informed as you appear?.
Yes, he is a dumbass. Amazing he hasn't been banned yet but the mods here are about as useless as a unicycle in the Tour de France.
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Old 09-18-09, 08:34 AM   #41
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No need for me to Google and I like how you dodged the question. You're clearly a liar. I am already familiar with the details of the misleading information you like to spread on this forum. Are you as ignorant and poorly informed as you appear? Because you appear like a dishonest and complete jerk when you spread misinformation like this. But I should thank you since now I have a very good reason to go figure out the ignore feature.

It will always be astonishing to me to see people like you purposefully spread misinformation about a pro cyclist. Jerk. Loser.
This is funny. When people do not refute what you say and personally attack you, it means you were right.

Awesome. You just proved his point.
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Old 09-18-09, 09:29 AM   #42
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Reading the whole thread again, this is about how this kind of discussion goes. Entertaining to a point, but, in the end, pointless.

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Yes, he is a dumbass. Amazing he hasn't been banned yet but the mods here are about as useless as a unicycle in the Tour de France.
Hey, I resemble that remark. . . what's wrong with unicycles?

and as for this thread, I'm thinking it needs to be locked, and will do so if the tone
isn't dialed back a notch or two. Disagreeing with someone is fine (and expected) but the
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Old 09-18-09, 10:20 AM   #44
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Lotek: DenisMenchov consistently starts these silly and pointless doping threads. He has nothing constructive to add and does nothing here but troll. Why is this still allowed?
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Exactly, and for pretty much the same reason Lance did. You do the tests, you jump through every hoop they set up for you, and still every time you turn around some idiot thinks you must be doping anyway because you ride fast. Lance never wasted his time on the muck-peddlars of the sport, and Contador should be smart enough to do the same.
totally agree. its never good enough. when people want to hate on your achievements you cant silence them, no matter how hard you try. even if a some scientist proved LA or AC never doped in their entire lifetime, someone would question the doctors credentials.

on the other hand i just cant get over how AC flies up the mountain like that being so small and scraggly. but i dont think he dopes.
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AC doped IMO: Too many bread crumb trails. But to each his own. I want to believe he's clean, but so many suspicions regarding his past. Look at Operation Puerto:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operaci...to_doping_case
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AC doped IMO: Too many bread crumb trails. But to each his own. I want to believe he's clean, but so many suspicions regarding his past. Look at Operation Puerto:
There are not as many bread crumbs as you want to believe. In fact, LA may have be more suspicious in his recent past than AC. Go away for good please. Please please take your self and stupid opinions and find somewhere else to troll.

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Old 09-19-09, 12:54 PM   #48
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I wouldn't rule out that possibility I guess. I wouldn't rule out doping as well.
I am sure that's giving AC a lot of sleepless nights...
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AC's performance would lead anyone to question him, as would LA's performance for 7 years. but the article by no means proves or even causes suspicion. I wouldn't say that either doped. they may be linked to someone but if there is no proof, it didnt happen. that's my opinion. no point in blasting someone if they can get tested 3 to 4 times a day for 3 weeks and still pass the tests. when he gets busted for doping then i will believe that he doped, that goes for LA and AC. not evidence that suggests that its a possibility. when they actually get busted.
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