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Old 07-21-04, 02:57 PM   #1
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Spitting on Lance

Yesterday "the finger", today spitting, what is next, night-sticks?

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L'ALPE D'HUEZ, France (Reuters) - Tour de France director Jean-Marie Leblanc has admitted he had seen fans spit at five-times champion Lance Armstrong during the 15.5-km time trial to L'Alpe d'Huez.

Leblanc also said the swarming crowds on the twisting climb on Wednesday had frightened him as riders, including Armstrong, were forced to weave through excited fans who jumped out on to the road.

"I was scared too and I felt relieved when we reached the section with barriers," Leblanc told Reuters after stage winner Armstrong described the stage as a "bad idea" and hit out at some German fans.

"Until this morning, everybody thought this time trial was a good idea and now we realised it was not so.

"There were lots of aggressive fans surrounding the riders and I even saw two idiots spit at Lance Armstrong."

"Unfortunately I doubt you can put barriers on the 14 kilometres of the climb," he added.

Armstrong, who stormed to victory nearly a minute ahead of his closest challenger Jan Ullrich and now looks set for a record sixth Tour win, urged organisers to think seriously about holding another time trial at the ski resort.

"I don't know if that's such a good thing for the Tour de France. I don't think it's safe. I think organisers should watch out," said the American.
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I really hope nothing bad happens to LA from a god damn stupid drunken fan.
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Old 07-21-04, 03:01 PM   #3
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I really hope nothing bad happens to LA from a god damn stupid drunken fan.
ditto. i'm getting nervious that something might happen. hope not, but it just seems to be getting uglier everyday.
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I really hope nothing bad happens to LA from a god damn stupid drunken fan.
Ditto, but fortunately if any real harm would come to him or any other rider the crowd would react to that before the Gendarmes could even lift a finger.
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I'm suprised there has not been any fights over this type of actions-if I was standing next to someone who spat on LA I might be inclined to rip his balls off. LOL
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They should move the tour to the USA next year
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I'm suprised there has not been any fights over this type of actions-if I was standing next to someone who spat on LA I might be inclined to rip his balls off. LOL
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There is no proof he has ever dopped and even if there were what kind of a loser would spit on someone.
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That's simply outrageous and it really disappoints me that seemingly anti-american sentiment would take such an ugly and puerile form in what is supposed to be an event that transcends politics, cultures, and societal divides. Love him or hate him, how could you not marvel at what he did today?
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I am sure Armstrong would have liked to jump off his bike and kick the stuffing out of those guys, if he knew they did it. Of course, he couldn't, but that would be just deserts.

I hope he invites each one to "meet" him, one at a time, after the Tour.

And "fans"? No, they're " 'gans" as in hooligans.
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That's simply outrageous and it really disappoints me that seemingly anti-American sentiment would take such an ugly and puerile form in what is supposed to be an event that transcends politics, cultures, and societal divides. Love him or hate him, how could you not marvel at what he did today?
Couldn't agree more. I'm no fan of the current administration, and I'll admit it would be nice to see someone else win the tour if they could beat Lance, but neither one of those ideas is worth spitting on someone. Go Lance
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This just serves to show how truly "progressive" Europeans are as many claim. They are no more "progressive" than any number of rednecks here in Georgia where I live.

If a fan were to impede or perhaps slug Armstrong like what happened to Eddy Merckx then it would seem appropriate for a riot to ensue engulfing the crowds in such utter chaos as to stop the race in its tracks. A kind of Rodney King riot there in France.
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I guess we should not be surprised they spat on Vets coming back from the Viet Nam war-like it was their fault.
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This just serves to show how truly "progressive" Europeans are as many claim. They are no more "progressive" than any number of rednecks here in Georgia where I live.

If a fan were to impede or perhaps slug Armstrong like what happened to Eddy Merckx then it would seem appropriate for a riot to ensue engulfing the crowds in such utter chaos as to stop the race in its tracks. A kind of Rodney King riot there in France.
An idiot is an idiot no matter where they are from. Generalizations don't help the situation - they only cause them to get worse. Calling all Europeans rednecks is as about as truthful as saying Jessica Simpson is refelctive of the collective American intellect ...
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An idiot is an idiot no matter where they are from. Generalizations don't help the situation - they only cause them to get worse. Calling all Europeans rednecks is as about as truthful as saying Jessica Simpson is refelctive of the collective American intellect ...

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What, you mean yesturday the finger, today spitting and MOONING ??? Lance should have used the guys ass as a bike rack... Those people have no class...
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That's simply outrageous and it really disappoints me that seemingly anti-american sentiment would take such an ugly and puerile form in what is supposed to be an event that transcends politics, cultures, and societal divides. Love him or hate him, how could you not marvel at what he did today?
Its not an anti-american thing! That report didnt mention the whole quote by lance.. he said the german fans were very overly excited - as the Americans and Italian fans.
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You think the TdF organizers put the TT on l'Alpe D'Huez with a small hope of something like this happening and perhaps stymieing Lance? I don't necessarily, but reading Hinault's comments earlier this week gave me the impression that it wouldn't bother him if it did. I'm glad Lance (and the other riders) got through it and Lance excelled.

I mean how can you call it a time trial when you've got people all over the riders?
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Its not an anti-american thing! That report didnt mention the whole quote by lance.. he said the german fans were very overly excited - as the Americans and Italian fans.
Well, I'll politely disagree. I don't think being spat on by more than one so-called "fan" was the result of exuberance. There are no reports of other riders being spat on or having some turd standing no more than 2 feet away with both fingers stuck out.
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hey, at least they're not football hooligans!

I also don't think its an anti-american thing.
I do think its an anti-lance thing. The Fingers guy, had to
be muy pissedoff that mayo abandoned.
face it, lots of fans (other than usps fans) are not
too thrilled that lance is once again eliminating
all of their GC contenders.

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hey, at least they're not football hooligans!

I also don't think its an anti-american thing.
I do think its an anti-lance thing. The Fingers guy, had to
be muy pissedoff that mayo abandoned.
face it, lots of fans (other than usps fans) are not
too thrilled that lance is once again eliminating
all of their GC contenders.

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If it wasn't for the fact that the political climate is rather testy of late, I'd have to agree - but only up to a point. I agree that it is entirely anti-lance, but I have to think - and this is based on years of having lived in Europe - that it is exacerbated by the fact that he is American. It's sad to say, but I honestly feel that if Lance were, say Canadian, then the situation wouldn't be quite so bad. Sports can be war by proxy in some ways - not to get too crazy about it. The Calcutta Cup match (Scotland vs. England in rugby) each year is "war". People back home get violently upset if we lose to England (you'd think we'd be used to it by now ). They don't get so upset if we lose to Ireland. Of course, no-one is going to spit on Dean Richards though!
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Definitely some anti-Lance, but I think quite a few people would have rather seen someone else in the lead. Still, there were hundreds of thousands of screaming fans cheering him on too. We can't let a couple of spitting idiots ruin it. It's like he said, it's so much easier to hear the one boo over the cheers of the crowd! Focus on the cheers, not the jeers, because I think the jeers are few and far between.

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You think the TdF organizers put the TT on l'Alpe D'Huez with a small hope of something like this happening and perhaps stymieing Lance? I don't necessarily, but reading Hinault's comments earlier this week gave me the impression that it wouldn't bother him if it did.
The same Bernard Hinault who said this?:

"At the start of the Tour, I give him a one-in-two chance. Once the race starts, anything is possible. It depends on him and everything that surrounds him: his adversaries, crashes, broken collarbones, his health... But logically, if he does everything exactly like he did for the past five years, there shouldn't be a problem. And if he wins, bravo! He'll deserve it."
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This just serves to show how truly "progressive" Europeans are as many claim.
I wouldn't be so dumb as to make the conclusion that a few discraceful Europeans are the same as all Europeans.

I don't think that it is political at all. If he was born in say... Canada... I'm sure it would be the same
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Don't know if any of you noticed, but there were a lot of things written on the pavement. I saw "**** You Lance", "Go home Lance", "EPO+Lance=Yellow Jersey", and many others. It's one of those things that OLN can't edit if they want to give live, accurate coverage of the race.

I hate to say it, but every day I get more and more worried. There are plenty of fanatical Muslims in France, and as we have seen, they have a wonderful love for all Americans. Lance, win the damn thing, and come home.
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