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Old 07-21-04, 06:17 PM   #1
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Following up on my “what is simoni smoking" thread Gibo has started talking some more. This guy seems completely demoralized.

But I found this part to be incredible:

Simoni seems to have become more humble, and even if he has not come to love Armstrong's personality, he accepts the American's dominance in the Tour.
"I envy Armstrong, like I envied Pantani for what he did," Simoni said. "Those two are bigger than me."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ul04/jul22news
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Old 07-21-04, 06:30 PM   #2
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Thanks for the link. Pretty incredible. I see him as having a champions attitude, like Armstrong, like Pantani, (and others such as Hinault and Merckx). His words last year were very interesting... along the lines of 'I have to accept it that Armstrong is the champion'. Like he considered himself a possible champion, but was 'defeated' and acknowledged that. Really cool.
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Old 07-21-04, 06:42 PM   #3
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I was going to post this.

I think he has been EXTREMELY bitter this year since Cunego beat him. I think Cunego took his heart away... maybe permanently.
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Old 07-21-04, 07:46 PM   #4
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I was going to post this.

I think he has been EXTREMELY bitter this year since Cunego beat him. I think Cunego took his heart away... maybe permanently.

OT....does anyone know if those magnetic wristy-things Simoni wears are sold in Australia? I wanna check one out.

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Imagine how hard it is for a top rider to start to realize that his best days are over and a new crop of riders are slowly pushing him out of the picture.

Stage 12 of the '92 TDF: Stephen Roche, one of the greatest riders ever, is out on a break with Pedro Delgado and Rolf Järmann. On the final climb into St Gervais, Delgado feigns weakness and then suddenly drops the hammer. Only Jarmaan is able to respond. Again and again Pedro attacks in a vein attempt to lose the Ariostea rider. Each attempt fails and Jarmaan comes around him with 100 meters to go and takes the stage.

I always felt sad for Stephen. Here's a guy who did the triple in '87 and he's been dropped by a rider seven years younger than him. And Delgado, one of the premier climbers of his day, unable to drop the 25 year old.

Maybe this relates to Simoni. Maybe it doesn't.
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Imagine how hard it is for a top rider to start to realize that his best days are over and a new crop of riders are slowly pushing him out of the picture.

Stage 12 of the '92 TDF: Stephen Roche, one of the greatest riders ever, is out on a break with Pedro Delgado and Rolf Järmann. On the final climb into St Gervais, Delgado feigns weakness and then suddenly drops the hammer. Only Jarmaan is able to respond. Again and again Pedro attacks in a vein attempt to lose the Ariostea rider. Each attempt fails and Jarmaan comes around him with 100 meters to go and takes the stage.

I always felt sad for Stephen. Here's a guy who did the triple in '87 and he's been dropped by a rider seven years younger than him. And Delgado, one of the premier climbers of his day, unable to drop the 25 year old.

Maybe this relates to Simoni. Maybe it doesn't.
At least Roche then won in the fog at Bourboule in 1992....
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Laggard, I think it does apply to Simoni. He seemed fine up to and during the Giro, until around Stage 16 - and completely lost it when he unloaded on Cunego after Stage 18. It's too bad, really. I like Simoni and was hoping he could get a stage win and a top 10 placing this year to boost his confidence.
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Although in the past I've been "harsh" concerning Simoni and his braggadocio, I've come
to respect him as a rider. I like gibo, I want him to do well.
I think he knows he is getting long in the tooth, and Cunego probably took his last
chance for the maglia rosa.
I would imagine Ullrich probably has similiar feelings.

Although I love riders like Simoni, Ullrich, Lance, Tyler I think we have seen
the beginning of the handover to the young guns like Cunego, Voekler, Danielson.
Sad.

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I have often wondered if Simoni's words and intentions last year before the TDF were blown out of proportion for journalistic I have always liked him, and in interviews and articles he always seemed to come across as genuine, nice, and fairly modest. I almost got a little misty on the stage in the 2001 Giro when he gave Julio Perez the win after Julio had lost one stage he looked like he might win because his chain broke, then got caught in a bad crash and had his front teeth knocked out. As they were a couple of hundred meters from the finish, Perez started to jump. Gibo motioned him to stay on his wheel and wait then did not contest when Perez did go as they approached the line.

So when reports of Simoni's "trash talk" started showing up last year I was kind of shocked. I still wonder if he said something either tongue in cheek or good-natured innocent Italian bravado that with selective translation and journalistic exaggeration got reported as something other than it was intended. Has anyone seen anything on this?
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Don't quite understand one of his points in the article:

"In this Tour it's less a question of beating Armstrong than beating his team," Simoni added. "When we're in the mountains, as long as he has two teammates by his side, there's nothing we can do...

No question LA has a strong (strongest?) team, but on every mountain top finish he has eventually been isolated in the end. If you can hang with the pace then you eventually get LA mano-a-mano. I don't remember Simoni being able to keep up this year. Am I missing something here? Simoni would expend no more energy than LA if he were able to stay on LA's wheel until no more Posties were left to "protect" him.
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I think that was said out of frusturation.
Though kerank, you illustrate the point well that USPS pulling in the mountains simply helps out whoever is the strongest... not necessarily Armstrong. If Armstrong was weaker, it would have been him getting dropped, rather than his rivals.
But Simoni seemed to be referring to attacking... not necessarily beating. USPS limits the options... the only way to beat Armstrong in the mountains when him and USPS are on form is to hold with them until the final climb, and somehow find the legs to pull away.
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