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    After watching stage 17 and thinking about it I felt lance was probably royally pi$$ed about the fans behaviour.

    That caused me to wonder if that might have been what spurred him on in the end.

    George H. was interviewed on OLN and he said he thought Lance was probably mad and that drove him.

    So it looks as though "T" Mobile's fans may have cost Kloeden the stage.
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    I agree with that to some extent, but I also think that Armstrong didn't want to let anybody other than Landis win the race since Floyd had done all the work on the climb. When Ullrich wouldn't take up pace making duties after catching Landis (letting Kloeden and Basso catch back on), I'd bet he made a decision right there not to "gift" the race to T-Mobile.
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    Steve, that's the interpretation I got from listening to the interviews by Landis and Armstrong too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveE
    I agree with that to some extent, but I also think that Armstrong didn't want to let anybody other than Landis win the race since Floyd had done all the work on the climb. When Ullrich wouldn't take up pace making duties after catching Landis (letting Kloeden and Basso catch back on), I'd bet he made a decision right there not to "gift" the race to T-Mobile.
    So if you watched the wrap up on OLN and saw Lance talking to the reporter in his Hotel room he was in fact spurred on by the German Fan's behaviour on the Alpe D'Huez at the end of stage 17.

    Too bad for Kloden who should have been the featured rider on "T"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadco
    So if you watched the wrap up on OLN and saw Lance talking to the reporter in his Hotel room he was in fact spurred on by the German Fan's behaviour on the Alpe D'Huez at the end of stage 17.

    Too bad for Kloden who should have been the featured rider on "T"
    So, are you saying that Lance didn't take the stage for all the work that Floyd put in but only because a German fan spit on him?
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    g'day,

    I'm sure i read a quote from Lance somewhere that said he wasn't going to contest the finish but then he remembered 'all those Luggi's on my cheek'.......if this is true, then certainly the fans cost kloden a stage win.......(mind you I see he's thinking of leaving T-Mobile....he asled for a 2 year deal before the TDF & walter said no!.....more egg on his face!),

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    I remember from the interview about stage 17, Lance said at one point, it was just himself, Floyd and Jan, and Jan was telling him that they should work together since they dropped the other two, and Lance said (to Jan, and this is a paraphrase from the interview) hey, we don't have to work because there's nothing for us to have to work for (inferring he didn't need the extra time to boost his standings). Then he said something like "I told Jan if he wanted to work together to go to the front and do some work, but obviously, Jan didn't seem to want to do it."

    I got the sense he was kind of p*ssed that Floyd did all the work, then Jan wanted to sail to the finish, but without doing much on his own to earn it, so Lance was like all bets were off at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadco
    After watching stage 17 and thinking about it I felt lance was probably royally pi$$ed about the fans behaviour.

    That caused me to wonder if that might have been what spurred him on in the end.

    George H. was interviewed on OLN and he said he thought Lance was probably mad and that drove him.

    So it looks as though "T" Mobile's fans may have cost Kloeden the stage.

    If you saw the last episode of the Lance Chronicles, he mentions this. He couldn't let Kloden win a stage after he thought of the loogies the German fans spat on him during Alpe d'Huez
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    What a big baby Lance is. To punish a rider for the actions of a few of his countrymen is just childish.
    i may have overreacted

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    To not punish any rider for any reason is pretty silly to me. It's my opinion that, in any sport, it's your duty to stick it to the competition. If you find that inspiration from their fans, your opposition itself, or any other source, it is your duty to, within legal bounds, pummel anyone who stands in your way. It's what you spend hours each day training to do. It doesn't make Lance a baby, it makes him a competitor.

    I'm not even what you call a Lance fan, but I respect his unwillingness to give out gifts in the tour.
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    But it sounds like he was willing to give out a gift but decided to be spiteful instead. This combined with his chasing down Simioni for no good reason is starting to make me wonder if Lance isn't just another jerky jock. It seems like I saw too many of his type when I was in high school.

    Just my opinion. Is it possible that Lance is not perfect?
    i may have overreacted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laggard
    Just my opinion. Is it possible that Lance is not perfect?
    Ask his ex-wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laggard
    But it sounds like he was willing to give out a gift but decided to be spiteful instead. This combined with his chasing down Simioni for no good reason is starting to make me wonder if Lance isn't just another jerky jock. It seems like I saw too many of his type when I was in high school.

    Just my opinion. Is it possible that Lance is not perfect?
    Lance is a competitor. Sometimes you have to intimidate your opponent, and there is nothing wrong with that especially in the pro ranks. You see this in every sport, not just cycling. We all can't deny that Lance respects the sport of cycling and we all know he embraces the competition as does every champion. From Michael Jordan to Pete Sampras they have in their own way used intimidation to sway momentum in their own direction. I am in no way a huge fan of Lance myself, but I do respect the dude.

    Has Lance personally done something to you? You seem really bitter about him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen H
    Ask his ex-wife.
    Ask Sheryl.

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    I think that a cyclist in physical state at the end of such a stage simply can't think of revenge. If somebody has saved power to make it, he will. And Lance did it unbeliveably well. The problem is not that with the Texas Ranger.
    He must be a thoughtful, sensible, intelligent man with a book like that and giving a pyschical help for so many suffering of cancer.
    BUT, the respectless selfish face he showed when announced last year Jan didn't wait him and naming Simeoni as an absolute Liar are just the part of US show-business.
    This muppet of he Show behavior is worthy for a Mike Tyson type, not an athlete like Lance.

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