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Old 07-25-04, 09:48 PM   #1
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A little mean lol

i dunno if this has been brought up here, but i came across this:
http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs...ourSt12-004000

i know Jan puts on some weight and parties alot off season...the description is kind of funny, but also a little mean spirited i think...i dunno whether to laugh or feel sorry for him lol
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A bit mean spirited. Jan is physically in the best shape he's been in a long time. That picture was taken from a bad angle, then the rather nasty comments about food put underneath. I just find it especially mean, seeing as though regardless of what place he's in, every person out there racing in the tour deserves more respect than what's shown in that picture.

Two snaps down for Graham.

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Old 07-25-04, 10:24 PM   #3
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What the...? He looks so fit and healthy in that pic. Are you sure the reference was a chub joke and not a German joke? Chocolate cake...German choc. cake? I've heard waaaaay too many Jan+strudel/cake jokes this tour, it's gotten trite. Let's hope next year is different.
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Old 07-25-04, 10:28 PM   #4
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G'day,

yeah...of course the 'sub editor' who wrote the 'copy' could ride the TDF...without fail....just as soon as he's finished his donuts!

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Old 07-25-04, 10:28 PM   #5
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A bit mean spirited. Jan is physically in the best shape he's been in a long time.

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Best shape in a long time? This is his worst Tour finish in his career.
The caption was just a joke. Poking fun at the excess talk about weight, maybe. I believe I've seen similar captions about Armstrong earlier this year (Mr Krispy Cremes? hehe)
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Old 07-25-04, 10:34 PM   #6
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It's a joke. And really are you telling me that if you got a bag lunch in the middle of anything never mind a 200 km ride that you would not want chocolate cake, I know I would. Hey I want it right now.
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Joke or not, I don't find it funny to make fun of someone by bringing up allegations and assumptions about any of the riders. What would people say if he posted pictures of Lance and put in jokes about his "alleged" doping? Would that be funny?

And I said he was PHYSICALLY in the best shape he's ever been in. Cardiovascularly, tactic-wise, and team wise... that's another story!

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You can't compare a little joke about Jan's love for chocolate with the serious accusations about Lance doping.

I found it funny, as did a lot of other people. Hell, Jan himself might even find it funny. He is a good natured guy. One of the most humble champions in the sport. He doesn't need you to defend him.
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Old 07-26-04, 02:13 AM   #9
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I don't think he would be in great shape if he dropped stacks of weight immediately prior to the Tour, as Phil Liggett suggested (something like 6kg in a month).

It's not ideal to be training hard, and trying to recover when you're losing lots o' pounds.
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Old 07-26-04, 03:15 AM   #10
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How about a caption for this one?

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A bit mean spirited. Jan is physically in the best shape he's been in a long time. That picture was taken from a bad angle, then the rather nasty comments about food put underneath. I just find it especially mean, seeing as though regardless of what place he's in, every person out there racing in the tour deserves more respect than what's shown in that picture.

Two snaps down for Graham.

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Agreed - I'm tired of the fat Jan, strudel boy jokes.

Give the riders respect - no need to mock them. How would they like it if Lance was said to be looking for his nuts. Maybe Tyler Hamilton is looking for airbags. Beloki looking for a straight femur. Richard V? EPO shot.
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Old 07-26-04, 06:21 AM   #12
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I posted a similar picture here (see below) after La Mongie, and I didn't intend for it to be mean spirited at all. I think very highly of Jan, and in some ways like the fact that he lets loose a bit in the off season. I can see how it is a fine line though...

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i dunno if this has been brought up here, but i came across this:
http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs...ourSt12-004000

i know Jan puts on some weight and parties alot off season...the description is kind of funny, but also a little mean spirited i think...i dunno whether to laugh or feel sorry for him lol
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Old 07-26-04, 07:14 AM   #13
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LA is lionised by most around here as the best TdF rider ever with the strongest team ever. Some even claim LA to be a "better" rider than Merckx. Then when Ullrich can't beat this rider of mythic proportions he's ridiculed for it.

Guy's in a hard spot isn't he?

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I wounder how Jan would do with a better team. Swiching captians mid race is poor form.

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Old 07-26-04, 07:26 AM   #15
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I think some people are reading waaay too much into the caption. If the OP had not posted his spin on it, I would have thought the caption a lame attempt at humor that could have been applied to anyone.
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Joke or not, I don't find it funny to make fun of someone by bringing up allegations and assumptions about any of the riders. What would people say if he posted pictures of Lance and put in jokes about his "alleged" doping? Would that be funny?
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Yes. It would be funny. My household is Lance supporters, but we've been making drug jokes all Tour. Geez, lighten up.
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Lance was said to be looking for his nuts. Maybe Tyler Hamilton is looking for airbags. Beloki looking for a straight femur. Richard V? EPO shot.
ROFLMAO
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I dont think anyone has the right to joke about his weight or anything except him. I Have a feeling that The person who wrote this hasnt come 2nd in the tour even once. Jan, L.A., Tyler etc. These guys are like the most fit people in the world. We could make some Photography joke though LOL thats mean nvm.
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Old 07-26-04, 08:46 AM   #19
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I'd rather be accused of looking in my bag for a choc bar or a can of lager, then for a syringe! Could be worse ...

C'mon people ... we all know what Ullrich does is beyond our comprehension and abilities. None of us are going to be the next President of the United States either, but that doesn't stop us from poking fun at that monkey. Quite right too!
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So, it's okay to get huffy about Lance's personal life with Sheryl Crow, but Professional jokes (Jan's weight, Lance's drug controversy, Tyler's crashing habit) is wrong? WTF? I think this stuff is funny, and harmless. They don't care about the pictures and the jokes.
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Old 07-26-04, 09:33 AM   #21
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If anyone should be allowed a piece of cake it's those guys. HELL I eat a lot of cake and ice cream and I'm not putting down anywhere near the mileage those guys are. Now that Lance has done his thing I'm rooting for Ullrich. Hopefully he has a few good years and can go out being recognized as a champ rather than just an understudy. If LA goes to the tour next year I hope the results are as follows:

1) Jan Ullrich
2) Lance Armstrong
3) Ivan Basso or Tyler Hamilton (aka Airbag)

I want to see Jan beat Armstrong rather than win without Armstrong there. That way he won't have the footnote "Never could beat Armstrong"
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Next year I'd like to see
1-Ullrich
2-Armstrong
3-Vinokourov
4-Voeckler
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Old 07-26-04, 11:15 AM   #23
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i'd like to see Hamilton dedicate next year's TdF to Tugboat and win over armstrong and Ulrich
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Some of you people take things way too seriously.

Now we can't make a joke because we've never come in 2nd in the Tour? Hope you guys don't make jokes about President Bush, John Kerry, or any other political figure. Afterall, you've never been President or Senator. Only -they- have the rights to make jokes about themselves.

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i'd like to see Hamilton dedicate next year's TdF to Tugboat and win over armstrong and Ulrich
I have a strange image of Tyler riding in the Tour with a Burley trailer attached to his bike, pulling along Tugboat who's sitting in the back.
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