Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Professional Cycling For the Fans Follow the Tour de France,the Giro de Italia, the Spring Classics, or other professional cycling races? Here's your home...

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-27-04, 10:10 AM   #1
ChipRGW
hehe...He said "member"
Thread Starter
 
ChipRGW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FLA
Bikes:
Posts: 630
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Speculate: Who WILL Jan ride for next year...

Or even this year???
He sounds pretty ticked off @ Godefroot.
From Yahoo News...

==================================================
Germany's Ullrich hits back at team boss


BERLIN, July 27 (Reuters) - German cyclist Jan Ullrich said he would speak to his T-Mobile team manager about comments questioning his commitment.

T-Mobile manager Walter Godefroot had criticised Ullrich, saying the 1997 Tour de France winner "cycled to live", while six-times Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong "lives for cycling" after the German failed to gain a top-three finish at the Tour for the first time on Sunday.

"I cannot let that go," five-times tour runner-up Ullrich said late on Monday on a television talk show.


"You should ask the people who I work with and not someone like Walter Godefroot who I speak to on the telephone twice a year -- if at all," he added.

Ullrich said he was extremely angry about Godefroot's comments but would try to talk to him at the HEW Cyclassics event in Hamburg next week.

"I will clear up what he said. If he says it to my face I will take the appropriate steps," Ullrich said, without specifying what those might be.

========================================


Sounds like, as far as T-Mobile, he's either gonna quit or get sacked.

Any thoughts on where he might end up?
__________________
Sometimes you just let the rabbits run, but sometimes you gotta let the dogs run.
ChipRGW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 11:31 AM   #2
Iron Chef
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Illinois
Bikes:
Posts: 372
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Discovery Channel needs a team captain for next year's Tour de France. Lance says he will be back to the Tour but not next year.
Iron Chef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 11:40 AM   #3
townandcountry
Not a senior!
 
townandcountry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Bikes: Felt 85
Posts: 285
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
My thoughts too. I can see Lance riding in the Tour next year, but to help one of his teammates win. He seems to have a great deal of respect for Jan.
townandcountry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 11:49 AM   #4
TimB
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Bikes:
Posts: 1,012
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I hope jan does leave T-Mobile.
Never liked that Godefroot character.
Jan also worked well with Barne Rijs so hopefully Jan accepts that he needs Rijs and goes there.


fingers crossed.
TimB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 11:50 AM   #5
Iron Chef
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Illinois
Bikes:
Posts: 372
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Give Jan serious training time with Chris Carmichael and the rest of the teams training resources (nutritional practices,'vitamin' regimes and training exercises etc...) it may be fun to see the results. Then again he is a family man who may have better things to do with his life.

PS: I don't think it will happen. But it would make a good story.
Iron Chef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 11:53 AM   #6
Devil
Since Ever Since
 
Devil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 1,575
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It's unrealistic for Jan to join Discovery, I think. Doesn't mean I wouldn't love to see it happen.

I think CSC is a more realistic choice. Riis would have Jan in the best shape of his life - no weight problems at all, guaranteed.
Devil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 12:21 PM   #7
Guest
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
I don't know, but anywhere but T-Mobile. Godefroot is an @sswipe.

Koffee
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 12:27 PM   #8
ChipRGW
hehe...He said "member"
Thread Starter
 
ChipRGW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FLA
Bikes:
Posts: 630
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Godefroot is probably NOT the best tactician. But you have to give January his due for not taking it as seriously as he should have.
I wonder if another DS would have any better results keeping him in shape over the off season. He seems to just take his clues from Pevenage.
I heard (read) one statement Jan made that he was really looking to this tour to prove that "his way" could be successful. Um, oops.
__________________
Sometimes you just let the rabbits run, but sometimes you gotta let the dogs run.
ChipRGW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 01:31 PM   #9
Raiyn
I drink your MILKSHAKE
 
Raiyn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Bikes: 2003 Specialized Rockhopper FSR Comp, 1999 Specialized Hardrock Comp FS, 1971 Schwinn Varsity
Posts: 15,061
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Hmmm a return to Bianchi Celeste Green perhaps?
__________________
Raiyn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 01:49 PM   #10
kerank
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: TN
Bikes: Specialized Allez Elite, Bianchi Virata
Posts: 172
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Phonak seems to have a lot of money, Ullrich and Hamilton on the same team.... hmmmm
kerank is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 05:12 PM   #11
Flaneur
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Bikes:
Posts: 689
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Telekom.

A German hero on a German team, living in Germany and managed by someone new!

Walter Godefroot was a hard case in the Merckx era. He won serious races like Flanders, Roubaix, Liege, Ghent-Wevelgem and Bordeaux-Paris, so his right to an opinion is not based on a job title. Endless weeks of training and racing on filthy cobbled roads in the Flandrian winter were his life; he knows all about suffering to succeed.

He was mistaken to criticise Ullrich on a public platform at the time he did but his views would be echoed by many talented riders and ex-riders. They see a talent going to waste- softened, as it might be depicted , by fame, money, celebrity and the joys of domesticity. By contrast, Armstrong's single-mindedness is very old-school, if his programme is not.

I think Telekom will dump Godefroot if Ullrich gives them an ultimatum.
Flaneur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 07:11 PM   #12
Walter
SLJ 6/8/65-5/2/07
 
Walter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: SE Florida, USA aka the Treasure Coast
Bikes:
Posts: 5,391
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
I don't see Jan moving either. Discovery is a fantasy for fans but I doubt it is for either Jan or current USPS riders.

Riis would probably do good work with Jan but CSC already has young talent like Sastre and most importantly Basso. GT victories will come to CSC with the current team, they don't need new talent.

Tyler, I doubt is willing to share the limelight either and Phonak has enough money in him to not give him another year as captain.

Where else? Quick Step is a Classics team. The Spanish teams have their captains. Other teams won't be able to give Jan much support. His future is T-Mobile, I think.

__________________
“Life is not one damned thing after another. Life is one damned thing over and over.”
Edna St. Vincent Millay
Walter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 07:24 PM   #13
gcasillo
Maglia Ciclamino
 
gcasillo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Fairfield, OH
Bikes: 2011 Bianchi Infinito, 2010 Surly Long Haul Trucker
Posts: 3,072
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Remember, that T-Mobile lost Vinokourov before the Tour and Kessler early. With Ullrich, Vino, Kessler, and Kloeden riding together, they would have been a lot better I think. Would they have worked well together though I wonder (like USPS)?
gcasillo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 07:34 PM   #14
Crack'n'fail
Photog Extraordinaire
 
Crack'n'fail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Bikes: Santa Cruz Chameleon, Cannondale R800 (CAAD4) with Dura-Ace upgrade
Posts: 863
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
wow, talk about expectations. A guy gets blasted by his director in public for just missing the podium. Of course, I think the statement "someone like Walter Godefroot who I speak to on the telephone twice a year -- if at all" gets to the heart of a deep problem in the system that is in place between Jan and his team. They need to repare that relationship or one of them has got to move on. Otherwise, they will never see the kind of success that Jan or that team are capable of.
Crack'n'fail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 08:16 PM   #15
Hitchy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Melbourne Oz
Bikes: how long have you got?
Posts: 2,397
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
G'day,

Jan to the 'disco's'?....won't happen, I'm more likely to get a ride with the 'disco's' than Jan!. He simply doesn't fit the disiplined, single focused, methadology that the 'disco's have used to such success. jan is contracted to T mobile until the end of 2006. IF he leaves before that, my guess would be Gerolsteiner, another german team,

cheers,

Hitchy
Hitchy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 08:46 PM   #16
DieselDan
Senior Member
 
DieselDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Beaufort, South Carolina, USA and surrounding islands.
Bikes: Cannondale R500, Motobecane Messenger
Posts: 8,521
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Gelerosteiner needs a team leader that can get them some press.
DieselDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 10:02 PM   #17
CarlJStoneham
TX Ciclista
 
CarlJStoneham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Ft Worth, TX
Bikes: '05 Trek 1500 & '00 Trek 2000
Posts: 1,344
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Lance says he will be back to the Tour but not next year.
I've been with my less-than-cycling-entusiasts family the past few days. When did Lance make this statement? As far as I know, he's said no decisions for a month but that he couldn't imagine "a season without the Tour".

As for Jan... MAN that guy needs a good team. He got screwed last year and it sounds like it's happeneing again. I REALLY hope he finds a team that's gonna support him like USPS does Lance. If that happens, Lance has a LOT to worry about...
__________________
CarlJStoneham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-04, 11:42 PM   #18
ultra-g
Retired Member
 
ultra-g's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Queens New York
Bikes: Bianchi Pisa, LeMond Poprad
Posts: 1,181
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Team 7-11! Bob Roll can be directeur sportif!
ultra-g is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-04, 06:09 AM   #19
John M
Serotta
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Newport News VA
Bikes: Serotta Legend Ti, Paramount (waterford) custom
Posts: 197
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ultra-g
Team 7-11! Bob Roll can be directeur sportif!
LOL, go Bobke go!

T-mobile did not have their act together. They did not have a single focus on the "man" for the tour. Instead ballanced between 2 riders. Divided effort. JMO
John M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-04, 05:41 PM   #20
JimCR
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Nuremberg, Germany
Bikes:
Posts: 52
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
These are German people, they talk like this... its no big deal.. Jan will remain at T-Mobile.
JimCR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-04, 06:14 PM   #21
Allen H
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Piedmont, CA
Bikes: '04 LeMond Buenos Aires
Posts: 584
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
What happens if Vinokourev comes back? Then it's a THREE-headed monster at T-Mobile: Jan, Kloden, and Vino, isn't it?

IMO, that makes it possible, if not likely, that Jan would look elsewhere (unless he has a DS he really is in synch with).
Allen H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-04, 08:12 PM   #22
2Rodies
El Diablo
 
2Rodies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Austin Tx, Ex So Cal
Bikes: Cannondale CAAD8/Record 10s, Felt DA700 Chorus 10s,
Posts: 2,750
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Heres my take on Jan and the rest of the teams in this years TDF. First Jan didn't get it together for this years race. He waited too long to get the weight off and it hurt him. He may have the talent but he lacks the mental prep that LA has. If I were a team director I'm not shure I'd offer him the big dough to ride for me. I might give him a fair base with insentives but to just hand him the bank and watch him eat his way out of contention is too much to risk.

I feel that all the team that were supposed to be serious GC contenders were "pretenders. CSC, Robobank, T-Mobil, and to a lesser degree Phonak all tried for stage wins early. T-Mobil allways works for Zabel to get him wins on the flat stages. All of this uses up valuable engergy something that USPS NEVER does. You never see USPS leading out Hincappi for sprints, or going out on a break to get an early stage win. All of these pretenders do and it hurts them later in the tour. USPS goes there for one reason and one reason only and that is to win the GC. After your team leader is out that's one thing but these teams were on it right out of the shoot.
2Rodies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-04, 08:22 PM   #23
astonv0l
Senior Member
 
astonv0l's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Originaly Liverpool, currently Greensboro, NC
Bikes: LeMond-Nevada City
Posts: 337
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I think Jan lost his drive when Vinokourov crashed. They are good friends and I think he lost focus without him. When he comes back, I think they will drive the team forward and show everyone what they are made of. T-Mobil could dominate TdF 2005?
astonv0l is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:03 PM.