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    Hack article slights Armstrong

    Prepare to be floored by this article in which the author postulates that Ricky Williams or any other NFL running back is a better athlete than Lance Armstrong.

    My guess is this fella just threw the two compelling sports stories of the weekend, Lance Armstrong's TdF win and Ricky Williams sudden retirement, in a blender and came up with this. Sadly, this kind of tripe gets everybody's attention, and sadder still, people probably believe this and don't appreciate cycling.

    I'll just be content with myself for knowing better.

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    What a total tool. Now I have another reason for telling those morons at the Herald why I don't want their pathetic little newspaper. I drive past the Herald offices on my way to/from work. I should stop in ...

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    Oh... yet another article trying to belittle Lance and cycling. Is it me or are these coming out with more frequency nowadays? I wonder if the stick and ball sportsfans somehow feel threatened.
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    What an a**hole. That dope has no business writing columns for a newspaper. Just ignorant.

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    I read through Mike's article and decided to have a little peak into his past and see what he was all about. One of the first hits I came accross was this one by a devoted fan of the Chicago Fire soccer club. If you want to read the post, here's the link: October 8th

    If you don't want to read the post, let me cut to the chase with a couple excerpts regarding Mike's slams and the author's response:

    I'm losing my soccer fan hypersensitivity.
    Don't get me wrong, it's still there. I still lose patience with ignorant putzes like the Daily Herald's Mike Imrem.


    What effect could a soccer-bashing mediocre writer have on my attitude? Well, it all started a year ago.
    Mr. Imrem wrote a column about how ridiculous it was that he received a copy of the MLS Media Guide. Without realizing that he was not, in fact, in Don Garber's PDA address list under "Important Sports Writer," Imrem complained about all things soccer.


    Now, this is where the second catalyst in my attitude adjustment comes in. I watched the horror and disgust as soccer fan after soccer fan posted on bigsoccer.com what they had written in response to Imrem's column.
    "You are so ignorant!" they howled. "You don't know nothing about soccer, your not even a good righter!"
    I admit it. Aside from the double negative, the comma splice, and the spelling errors, I was one of you! I don't remember what I called him, but it wasn't pretty. Last year, a hundred soccer fans from around the country wrote him. DC United fans, Burn fans, and Galaxy fans all joined together for the sole purpose of ripping him "a new one."


    This year, he wrote a very similar column after receiving another media guide. No, Mike, they still don't know who you are. He even acknowledged the fact that he received a plethora of hate mail from soccer advocates. Fans wrote him again this time. One fan wanted to know "why the Daily Herald would solicit such trite." Another hoped that this "wasn't the calibur of of soccer bashing we should expect from the American sports media in the future."

    Is this the caliber of soccer basher bashing we can expect from fans in the future? I hope not. In any case, I wrote him too. This time, however, I thought I'd be more personally productive. I asked him if, since he resented receiving it, I could have his media guide.


    He replied, "sorry, i'm saving it a souvenir. it is one of the better league guides i receive."
    So, finally, I get it. In response to one person's lamentation, Imrem wrote, "you blew my cover with 'rhetorical narcissistic self gratification. that was my motive precisely.'" He was telling the truth.


    Soccer lovers are fun to mess with. We're so sensitive. We must be the whiniest, easily manipulated bunch of pansies in the world of sports, and I plan to continue my ascension to a nice, warm place above all that.

    ...and concluded with:

    So the next time some putz degrades our beloved sport, move on. Don't give him (or her) the satisfaction or the traffic.

    You know what? And this is my quote: Cycling lovers are fun to mess with. We're so sensitive. We must be the whiniest, easily manipulated bunch of pansies in the world of sports, and I plan to continue my ascension to a nice, warm place above all that.

    Mike's a putz. Soccer, like cycling, is a sport Mike neither grew up with nor has grown to love. I knew neither as a youth, but count myself as one of the lucky who has learned to love and enjoy the intricacies of both sports.
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    What a bozo! Even admits thata half hour on a stationary bike is his limit! The guy has a picture and he looks like a pasty dweeb. He admires running backs for their ability to take a hit, but his article demonstrates that he has taken too many hits himself--off his crack pipe!

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    Wayne Gretzky was skinny enough in his prime to win the Tour de France. Dennis Rodman could have if it wouldn't have bored him to death. Alex Rodriguez would have if there were more money in it.
    Proves he has no concept of cycling.

    It seems that his "article" revolves around the definition of the word "athlete" and his seems to be "one that can 'take a hit in the NFL' "

    Silly, and pointless waste of print, no matter your viewpoint.

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    According to this guy if you can't take a hit from an NFL lineman you're not an athlete. Wow.

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    Y'all keep forgetting that these "stick n' ball" sports guys are playing to their audience. If you missed this article, you might want to take a minute to read through:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sport...ory?id=1833339

    In essence, it cites a market research where less than 2% of Americans has an interest in the sport of cycling and notes it even trails behind American interest in Formula 1 racing @ 3% (count me as one of these - thank you SpeedChannel), Arena Football @ 4% (what the hell is that?), and Horse Racing also @ 4%.

    So, is it any wonder that a stick and ball guy is going to reassure all the sports fans who grew up playing stick and ball games that yes, THEY ARE the REAL athletes? Heaven forbid that a human being with 3% body fat who rides a damn bicycle in spandex and who shaves their legs might, in fact, actually threaten their egos by doing something that only a select few human beings are capable of. Never mind how utterly insane it is to compare completely dissimilar sports where few of the elites from either sport could succeed in the other.... Hell, even Nike has lampooned this concept with a string of "What if" commercials last Summer (remember Lance as the boxer, Tiger as a ball player, Randy Johnson as a pro-bowler, Serena Williams as a gymnast.

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    These guys write this stuff (which I didn't even bother to read) to get a (over)reaction from over-sensitive enthusiasts of fringe sports. Cycling and soccer are their main targets but with this an Olympic year other sports will get ridiculed as well.

    It's obvious to the point of inane that nobody in the NFL could do what LA (or even the Tour's Lanterne rouge does nor can LA do what any of the players in the NFL do. There is absolutely no similarity in the fields. However, some coloumnist states this in a condescending manner and people get fired up.

    Ignoring it is the most effective thing you can do.

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    This moron did what he set out to accomplish. He went against the grain and generated controversy which generates newspaper sales. It also generated a thread in this forum in which there have been a number of replies. Mission accomplished.

    His article is misleading. The heading says Armstrong is not a "top athelete" while his article argues that he is not the "greatest athelete." I am not sure that Armstrong is the "greatest athelete", however he is definitely a top athelete.

    A lot of it depends on your definition of the word athelete. Is Lance the strongest, fastest, most atheletic person in the world? No. Is he the toughest, strongest, most dedicated athelete in the world? YES

    More importantly, he is a hero and a warrior. These other "atheletes" like Ricky Williams and Shaq and Kobe are babies. They were born with a lot of natural gifts. They have simply used those gifts and basically coasted through life.

    Meanwhile Lance Armstrong has stared death in the face and seemingly not only defeated it, but laughed in it's face. He had testicular, lung and brain cancer. He had brain surgery. I wonder if the loser that wrote the article knows what kind of pain is involved in that? I wonder if he knows what kind of pain is involved in riding a bike 2,000 miles at a super human pace entails?

    No, he doesn't. He likely has never suffered at all. You would likely find him in McDonalds getting his exercise. That does not qualify you to speak on such things as this writer did. He has no idea what he is talking about yet he gets to write and likely many believe it.

    I ride my bike a lot yet i have never ridden the tour de france. I also have never had any form of cancer nor had my brain cut on. I also don't know who is the world's greatest "athelete", yet i know the world's greatest warrior in the field of sports. His name is Lance Armstrong.

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    Sure, I agree he's playing to his audience. Hell, I love baseball more than anything. I love basketball as long as its collegiate, and I now believe that the NFL season is the best among the major sports.

    What bothers me, is that this tongue-in-cheek column does *real* damage to a populus in need of better fitness, more efficient modes of transportation, and in general, a little more humility. Sheesh, I'm a Republican for crying out loud, and I hold these truths to be self evident.

    That's the beauty of cycling as compared to the stick-and-ball stuff. How many adults do you know play baseball? Softball, even. Full contact football? Flag football? Play in basketball leagues? I would guess a number that is closer to zero than it is most.

    Yet anyone can get a bike and with time, greatly improve his or her fitness. Even if you're not on Lance's level, if you can ride a century, hold 20-25mph for an appreciable amount of time, or climb a hill that makes cars down shift to hold their speed, then YOU are the real athlete and you have my complete admiration.

    I guess I'm getting older (31), but I just don't identify with what most sportshacks consider to be an athlete. Most folks I know weren't dipped in the river of Supergenetics and have immortal abilities. They have to earn everything. What it is that I'm supposed to admire in an NFL tailback, NBA shooting guard, or MLB cleanup hitter is lost on me. Somewhat because I don't play those sports any more, but mostly because I can mount a bike and see what a 6-8% climb can take out of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcasillo
    Yet anyone can get a bike and with time, greatly improve his or her fitness. Even if you're not on Lance's level, if you can ride a century, hold 20-25mph for an appreciable amount of time, or climb a hill that makes cars down shift to hold their speed, then YOU are the real athlete and you have my complete admiration.
    Well, see that's the problem with cycling as an accepted sport in the US. Most people equate true acts of athleticism to something so totally out of this world that they don't rate cycling up there because they think that maybe they can do it themselves. This is because baseball, football, basketball games are so polished and produced looking, it's like watching a video game or a movie with really good special effects. It no longer seems real and the sportsfans revel in that. They want to see something unreal. Unfortunately, cycling as a competition sport is a lot about subtlety and many people have neither the patience nor the will to engage and entertain themselves in that. Cycling is a lifestyle sport that promotes involvement... stick and ball sports are generally speaking entertainment sports that promote watching. Most people would rather go for the short-lived instant entertainment that they can watch rather then be involved in a certain lifestyle.
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    Da$% it!!! I already wrote him a letter. I have been duped. I thanked him for his article and for raising the bar on ignorance about cycling in the American sports reporting world. I thanked him for supplanting Max Kellerman as the most misinformed journalist in America. I told him he wasn't even comparing apples and oranges, he was comparing apples and monkeys. I also suggested that L.A. and Ricky probably both had tremendous respect for one another and so we should just respect each achievement for what it was. But I'm sure it was all feeding him just what he craved. Crap, I'm so weak.

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    Look at that ****ing dorks headshot. No brain,you can tell by the sucked in appearance of the ears. Lets see a pro football player go all four quarters six out of seven days a week, for three weeks. It would never happen. They get a bad case of turf toe and a tractor comes out to stretcher them off the field. *******. A Pro cyclist will run off a cliff, fall sixty feet into a tree, climb down, climb a hundred fifty feet back up the cliffside, get on another bike and take off again. Only things that come close, Australian rules and Hurley.
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    Well said, khuon. Very well said.

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    what a f**king a**hole.......wow, he knows NOTHING about cycling and what it does to a human body.....he sucks, just plain sucks

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    What a pud. If you want to talk about athletes, don't talk to this guy. Look at his picture this guy is NO athlete.

    Will cancel my subscription tomorrow.

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    The guy is a dork. Look at his picture. Your typical nerd that worships the "ball and stick" athletes that he wished he was.

    I would like to see Ricky Williams survive a mountain decent at 60mph. I would not be surprised to see him dead in a ditch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcasillo
    Prepare to be floored by this article in which the author postulates that Ricky Williams or any other NFL running back is a better athlete than Lance Armstrong.

    My guess is this fella just threw the two compelling sports stories of the weekend, Lance Armstrong's TdF win and Ricky Williams sudden retirement, in a blender and came up with this. Sadly, this kind of tripe gets everybody's attention, and sadder still, people probably believe this and don't appreciate cycling.

    I'll just be content with myself for knowing better.

    Well, I read that and I got mad. So I emailed the a-hole: mimrem@dailyherald.com


    Let's all let him know what a big *** he is.

    This moron said Lance Armstrong is not an athlete because he's never been tackled in an NFL game. I don't remember Muhammad Ali ever taking a hit in the NFL, does that mean Muhammad Ali wasn't an athlete either?
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    Quote Originally Posted by soonerrebel
    What a pud. If you want to talk about athletes, don't talk to this guy. Look at his picture this guy is NO athlete.

    Will cancel my subscription tomorrow.

    I hope you write them a letter telling them WHY you are unsubscribing too.
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    what a moron.

    maybee osmone should direct him to the sports illistrated article where Armstrong was rated athelte of the year and they put all these other athletes up gainst him. IIRC the only one that came close was the basketballer.

    speaking of basketball, Dennis Rodman on a bike? how much crack has this guy smoked. If its so easy. lets see him get his puny little monkey butt out there and do the miles to prove it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khuon
    Well, see that's the problem with cycling as an accepted sport in the US. Most people equate true acts of athleticism to something so totally out of this world that they don't rate cycling up there because they think that maybe they can do it themselves.
    Same thing with golf. I cannot tell you how many guys I know with 4 or less handicaps who are in their mid-40's think they can make it on the Champions Tour.

    Who is this guy? The Daily Herald, eh?? Bet it was picked up by ALL the nationals...

    Maybe when this guy grows up, he can get a job at the Trib or the Sun Times.

    What cracked me up is that while both are great athletes, their sports require totally different body makeups from the standpoint of muscle makeup and endurance. I wonder what William's resting heart rate is, his VO2 max, and his lung capacity? But Lance cannot bench press 250+ pounds.

    BTW, if his standard is getting hit by an NFL lineman, does this rule out Sammy Sosa?

    Even one from the Bears.
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    Emailing the guy and calling him an a$$hole or a *** does nothing except tell him his article was successful. Doesn't make you look too smart either. Telling him the comparison is totally invalid is legit but he won't care. Soon he'll have another column in which he details all the vitriol he received and, to keep everyone fired up, he'll include excerpts from someone who agrees with him.

    This stuff happens every July, ignore it.

    FWIW a poll taken by athletes themselves ranked LA pretty highly. I think LA put Jordan up as #1 but again there's not much comparison. Jordan doesn't win any TTs and I doubt LA would score in an NBA game.

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