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    ToC Route Announced..No Sierra's

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    So no Sierra climbs, Big Bear is the Queen stage..better hope the wind is blowing the right way or the smog levels will be kill them all. I'm guessing outside of the 'Shack' we won't be seeing any big ProTour names in peleton.

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    They wanted to go through Yosemite but the park service said no. Apparently the stage from Visalia to Bakersfield will go through Sequoia National Forest, but I have no idea of the route. I can't imagine it being a particularly selective day.

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    They're going through the Santa Monicas! I didn't think that would ever happen because of the Malibu politics involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esammuli View Post
    They wanted to go through Yosemite but the park service said no. Apparently the stage from Visalia to Bakersfield will go through Sequoia National Forest, but I have no idea of the route. I can't imagine it being a particularly selective day.
    I can see why - Yosemite is already way overcrowded during the summer, and add a stage of the ToC? It'd be chaos. But it would be fantastic.

    There are plenty of climbs in the Sierras outside of Yosemite, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esammuli View Post
    They wanted to go through Yosemite but the park service said no. Apparently the stage from Visalia to Bakersfield will go through Sequoia National Forest, but I have no idea of the route. I can't imagine it being a particularly selective day.
    There's one road through there and its a decent climb, should be an entertaining stage if its true.

    I'm psyched about Big Bear, its right next to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
    There's one road through there and its a decent climb, should be an entertaining stage if its true.

    I'm psyched about Big Bear, its right next to me.
    Easy for the first few miles... then it gets curvy. Can't wait to watch the descent, assuming that's in there.
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    I'm still working on the interview with Andy Messick. Give me time. He's busy.

    And I look forward to TWO nights in L.A. with the race entourage. That's going to be a blast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LorenzoNF View Post
    I can see why - Yosemite is already way overcrowded during the summer, and add a stage of the ToC? It'd be chaos. But it would be fantastic.

    There are plenty of climbs in the Sierras outside of Yosemite, though.
    they always manage to pull off rolling through national parks in the giro, vuelta & le tour.
    the race could avoid the valley where 90% of the visitors head anyway. methinks the real
    reason is that none of the east side sierra towns-save mammoth or maybe bishop-would
    be willing to pony up the bucks for a drive-by or stage finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooga-booga View Post
    they always manage to pull off rolling through national parks in the giro, vuelta & le tour.
    the race could avoid the valley where 90% of the visitors head anyway. methinks the real
    reason is that none of the east side sierra towns-save mammoth or maybe bishop-would
    be willing to pony up the bucks for a drive-by or stage finish.
    I very seriously doubt bishop has any money.
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    I was in Big Bear for Oktoberfest. I felt the altitude just brushing my teeth in the AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElJamoquio View Post
    I very seriously doubt bishop has any money.
    ha, ha. me too. mammoth (or tahoe) is the best bet. since the sale of the ski resort and its various holdings a while back,
    there has been talk of expanding the airport down the mountain and (fbow) "aspenizing" mammoth. i expect the new
    owners to carry out their plans, presuming they still own it when the economy recovers.
    a stage finish just might be the right type of advertising for the resort.

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    Bummed San Diego is out. Had fun in the Amgen tent last year. Was amazing watching them sprint for the finish. Guess I'll have to watch online. Hopefully they'll get the GPS fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooga-booga View Post
    they always manage to pull off rolling through national parks in the giro, vuelta & le tour.
    France's national first national park was created in 1963... some 60 years after the first Tour.

    The US's first national park was created in 1872. So they kind of have seniority.

    Quote Originally Posted by ooga-booga View Post

    the race could avoid the valley where 90% of the visitors head anyway. methinks the real
    reason is that none of the east side sierra towns-save mammoth or maybe bishop-would
    be willing to pony up the bucks for a drive-by or stage finish.
    The climbs outside Bishop are awesome and I would be interested and humbled to know how much faster than me the pros can climb to Mosquito Flat.

    But there would not be anyone there to watch if both cycling fans in Bishop are busy that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
    France's national first national park was created in 1963... some 60 years after the first Tour.
    Quote Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post

    The US's first national park was created in 1872. So they kind of have seniority.

    true that+++le tour is a slightly more revered event than the toc...have never seen any figures
    or estimates on how much money flows into/is spent in a tdf town or area-say alpe d'huez, briancon,
    pau, mont ventoux area. just curious about the $ boost to the local economy.

    The climbs outside Bishop are awesome and I would be interested and humbled to know how much faster than me the pros can climb to Mosquito Flat.

    But there would not be anyone there to watch if both cycling fans in Bishop are busy that day.


    just a couple bewildered hikers & fisherman. wonder how many cycling clubs & enthusiasts would
    road trip from la, sd ,sj, sacto, fresno, sf, vegas it if there were a stage finishing at say horseshoe meadows
    or mosquito flat? maybe a fifth of what we'll see at big bear this coming year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
    But there would not be anyone there to watch if both cycling fans in Bishop are busy that day.
    BS

    You wouldn't be able to get a hotel room or a campsite in Bishop that day.

    So that's at least five people.
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    when does this open on bikereg? I cant decide whether to do the 35+ or the 1/2. although the dates conflict with the turkey hill road race in PA, which is within driving distance from me and free ice cream from the turkey hill dairy, so I'll probably just do it instead.

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    The route certainly looks tougher than last year's route, but to me it doesn't live up to the hype of why they say they're moving from February to May.

    Check out this VeloNews article: http://velonews.com/article/99515/th...lain-the-races

    Look at this quote, in particular.

    "'In February, there is a lot of terrain that’s inaccessible due to snow and cold,' Messick said. 'Shifting to May will open up the Sierras, mountain top finishes and areas like Lake Tahoe. To showcase the California that we know and love — blue skies, warm weather — we need to be in the spring. We think the racing will be better, and the competition will be better.'"

    Well, they got the blue skies and warm weather, but what about the Sierras and areas like Lake Tahoe? Quick, name a California climb off the top of your head. Is it included in the ToC route? Climbs like Monitor and Ebbetts seem perfect to include, so why aren't they there? I don't mean to knock the Big Bear stage. It looks difficult and should make for an exciting stage, but it alone doesn't justify the move to May. It seems like the organizers were one additional climbing stage away from actually turning the race into what they wanted it to be.

    "'We aspire to be an important part of the cycling calendar,' said Andrew Messick, AEG Sports president. 'We felt as though being a February race we were, I don’t want to say pre-season, but we weren’t a race that most riders were really targeting.'"

    Well, I'm not sure trying to be the American Dauphine Libere is a huge step up, but look at its 2009 route: 2 TTs and 2 mountain finishes. That's the kind of route the ToC needed to present to even have a chance to compete with the European races riders use to prepare for the Tour, and even then there would be the problem of whether or not riders would want to travel so far at such a critical point of the season.

    The ToC had its niche as an early-season race that big-name riders wanted to be a part of, and if it had embraced that niche it was on the road to becoming a very successful race. Instead, it's trying to become something bigger and the 2010 route doesn't live up to the hype. With LA riding it seems like if they wanted to do an epic route and really show their vision, this would have been the year.

    If the Yosemite story is true it illustrates why a huge race can't happen in America. People just don't care enough about cycling to basically shut down major areas for a mere bike race.

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    Don't forget about the final stage into Thousand Oaks. It's not a hill top finish but it's still going to be very difficult. I'd argue that that stage is as hard as anything they've ever done in this race before. Plus it comes stacked after the Big Bear Stage and the TT. The leader coming into the last stage is still going to have some serious work to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
    when does this open on bikereg? I cant decide whether to do the 35+ or the 1/2. although the dates conflict with the turkey hill road race in PA, which is within driving distance from me and free ice cream from the turkey hill dairy, so I'll probably just do it instead.
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    They're not famous beyond NorCal, but there are plenty of locally infamous legburners available on the Nevada City -- Sacramento stage. The problem is that I doubt they'd want to include them on the first stage.

    Also, it's a shame they bagged the Prologue this year. It was a lot of fun and really attractive to non-hardcore cycling fans to have the start and finish in the same 10 block area and to see the TT machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    I'm still working on the interview with Andy Messick. Give me time. He's busy.

    And I look forward to TWO nights in L.A. with the race entourage. That's going to be a blast!
    Will you be in the front car again doing the announcing? What will the car be, another Volvo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Darwin View Post
    Moving to Pro Cycling
    Why? Isn't this the discription of the Racing Forum?

    Discuss pro racing, the big races, and even the small backyard races. Don't forget to update all the members with your own race results.


    Is this not a discussion of Pro Racing?

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    I dont know what route people were thinking of in the Sierras or Yosemite but Tioga Pass regularly doesnt even open up and clear of snow until mid June.

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    Doesn't go through Yosemite, CatSkratch
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