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Old 10-12-12, 10:51 AM   #351
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His sordid history of injecting U.S. National Team juniors with cortisone is far worse, for me, than building his career on Armstrong's success. But that's part of the picture, too. The guy is a slimeball.
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Old 10-12-12, 10:51 AM   #352
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this thread really blew up in the op's face, huh?
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Old 10-12-12, 11:04 AM   #353
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I should clarify, I am quite happy with my CTS videos, actually (I like them better than the Spinervals and CTS customer service was been really exceptional in handling a problem I had that was of my own making) and I personally dont really feel de-frauded.

I am merely curious as to where that's going to go, as it seems to have escaped notice for the most part.

If I were a bigger ****** than I am, I'd email them and ask them what's up with this whole thing but as I am a fairly satisfied customer, I'll refrain.
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Old 10-12-12, 11:04 AM   #354
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The real heroes are the people who refused to dope no matter what. Who were ready to sacrifice their career but refused to be dishonest. I would like to hear about such people.
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Prior to USADA's report, I was saying "USADA sucks". I've done a 180 since.

The fallout will be far reaching ... and it's just begun.
You like millions and millions of taxpayers dollars spent on a witch hunt and nothing been has been proven? Meanwhile drug dealers and major criminals are released because the Justice Dept doesn't have the money or resources to prosecute cases.

I don't know who Armstrong pissed off but somebody had it out for him and wouldn't let it end.
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You like millions and millions of taxpayers dollars spent on a witch hunt and nothing been has been proven? Meanwhile drug dealers and major criminals are released because the Justice Dept doesn't have the money or resources to prosecute cases.

I don't know who Armstrong pissed off but somebody had it out for him and wouldn't let it end.
...did you manage to type that with a straight face?
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Old 10-12-12, 11:36 AM   #357
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...did you manage to type that with a straight face?
+1

I was waiting for the punch line .....
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Old 10-12-12, 11:43 AM   #358
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You like millions and millions of taxpayers dollars spent on a witch hunt and nothing been has been proven? Meanwhile drug dealers and major criminals are released because the Justice Dept doesn't have the money or resources to prosecute cases.

I don't know who Armstrong pissed off but somebody had it out for him and wouldn't let it end.
You're just trying to start an argument to show how smart you are.
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You honestly believe that?
Tygart himself said Armstrong would have been able to keep some of his TdF wins .... I think anything prior to the statute of limitations.
But since he didn't, the things he was charged with did not fall under the statute of limitations, so this is how it played out.
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their testimony is a relief because they weren't burdened by having to race in their final chance olympics, they don't have to race for a nice 6 month vacation, they are no longer obligated to keep track of some race wins on their resumes from a few years ago, their fans get to celebrate that they are cheaters. just living the good life.
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Old 10-12-12, 12:03 PM   #361
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You're just trying to start an argument to show how smart you are.
That's why I don't start arguments
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their testimony is a relief because they weren't burdened by having to race in their final chance olympics, they don't have to race for a nice 6 month vacation, they are no longer obligated to keep track of some race wins on their resumes from a few years ago, their fans get to celebrate that they are cheaters. just living the good life.
and poor Lance gets a permanent vacation from Ironmans.
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Old 10-12-12, 12:18 PM   #363
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Please congratulate Lance on the enormity of his success the next time you see him.
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Old 10-12-12, 12:21 PM   #364
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I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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Old 10-12-12, 12:24 PM   #365
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Phil Liggett has always been a big defender of Armstrong.

I look forward to hearing his comments now.
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Old 10-12-12, 12:30 PM   #366
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Phil Liggett has always been a big defender of Armstrong.

I look forward to hearing his comments now.
+1, and what's Kevin Livingston up to these days?
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...234/index.html

How does one test to see if a rug is doping or not?
I've heard of doping fabrics with fire retardants. Maybe there is a fire test for doping rugs.

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Old 10-12-12, 12:31 PM   #368
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Phil Liggett has always been a big defender of Armstrong.

I look forward to hearing his comments now.
Add: Maybe Phil will prepare a tribute to Armstrong for us to show during the 2013 Tour de France, during its centennary. That would be lovely.
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Simply put, will you feel good about yourself after beating your own personal record after taking a performance enhancing drug?
We have mood enhancing drugs for that!
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I wonder if Bruyneel will flip on LA if they give him a deal. But then again, its already too late for that.
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+1, and what's Kevin Livingston up to these days?
He is down in Mellow Johnny's basement in Austin. That is his payout from LA for keeping his mouth shut about the doping he witnessed and partook of.
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Forget Livingston, what about Alphonse???
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You honestly believe that?
Yes, because USADA has publicly stated that. He would have been allowed to retain 5 of his 7 TdF wins, too.
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I wonder if Bruyneel will flip on LA if they give him a deal. But then again, its already too late for that.
Yeah, that horse has bolted the barn.
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So what happens to the accusers?
Interesting word choice. Since when is a witness an accuser? The only one who could be considered an accuser is Landis since he initiated contact with USADA and worked to initiate the investigation.
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