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    His sordid history of injecting U.S. National Team juniors with cortisone is far worse, for me, than building his career on Armstrong's success. But that's part of the picture, too. The guy is a slimeball.

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    this thread really blew up in the op's face, huh?

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    I should clarify, I am quite happy with my CTS videos, actually (I like them better than the Spinervals and CTS customer service was been really exceptional in handling a problem I had that was of my own making) and I personally dont really feel de-frauded.

    I am merely curious as to where that's going to go, as it seems to have escaped notice for the most part.

    If I were a bigger ****** than I am, I'd email them and ask them what's up with this whole thing but as I am a fairly satisfied customer, I'll refrain.
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    The real heroes are the people who refused to dope no matter what. Who were ready to sacrifice their career but refused to be dishonest. I would like to hear about such people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCyclist View Post
    Prior to USADA's report, I was saying "USADA sucks". I've done a 180 since.

    The fallout will be far reaching ... and it's just begun.
    You like millions and millions of taxpayers dollars spent on a witch hunt and nothing been has been proven? Meanwhile drug dealers and major criminals are released because the Justice Dept doesn't have the money or resources to prosecute cases.

    I don't know who Armstrong pissed off but somebody had it out for him and wouldn't let it end.
    You're just trying to start an argument to show how smart you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
    You like millions and millions of taxpayers dollars spent on a witch hunt and nothing been has been proven? Meanwhile drug dealers and major criminals are released because the Justice Dept doesn't have the money or resources to prosecute cases.

    I don't know who Armstrong pissed off but somebody had it out for him and wouldn't let it end.
    ...did you manage to type that with a straight face?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commodus View Post
    ...did you manage to type that with a straight face?
    +1

    I was waiting for the punch line .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
    You like millions and millions of taxpayers dollars spent on a witch hunt and nothing been has been proven? Meanwhile drug dealers and major criminals are released because the Justice Dept doesn't have the money or resources to prosecute cases.

    I don't know who Armstrong pissed off but somebody had it out for him and wouldn't let it end.
    You're just trying to start an argument to show how smart you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgilchrist View Post
    You honestly believe that?
    Tygart himself said Armstrong would have been able to keep some of his TdF wins .... I think anything prior to the statute of limitations.
    But since he didn't, the things he was charged with did not fall under the statute of limitations, so this is how it played out.
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    their testimony is a relief because they weren't burdened by having to race in their final chance olympics, they don't have to race for a nice 6 month vacation, they are no longer obligated to keep track of some race wins on their resumes from a few years ago, their fans get to celebrate that they are cheaters. just living the good life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    You're just trying to start an argument to show how smart you are.
    That's why I don't start arguments
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    Quote Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no View Post
    their testimony is a relief because they weren't burdened by having to race in their final chance olympics, they don't have to race for a nice 6 month vacation, they are no longer obligated to keep track of some race wins on their resumes from a few years ago, their fans get to celebrate that they are cheaters. just living the good life.
    and poor Lance gets a permanent vacation from Ironmans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike56 View Post
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    Please congratulate Lance on the enormity of his success the next time you see him.
    Climbs like a stone, descends like two...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike56 View Post
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    I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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    Phil Liggett has always been a big defender of Armstrong.

    I look forward to hearing his comments now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xfimpg View Post
    Phil Liggett has always been a big defender of Armstrong.

    I look forward to hearing his comments now.
    +1, and what's Kevin Livingston up to these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizel603 View Post
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...234/index.html

    How does one test to see if a rug is doping or not?
    I've heard of doping fabrics with fire retardants. Maybe there is a fire test for doping rugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xfimpg View Post
    Phil Liggett has always been a big defender of Armstrong.

    I look forward to hearing his comments now.
    Add: Maybe Phil will prepare a tribute to Armstrong for us to show during the 2013 Tour de France, during its centennary. That would be lovely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baccilus View Post
    Simply put, will you feel good about yourself after beating your own personal record after taking a performance enhancing drug?
    We have mood enhancing drugs for that!
    My speculation was that it applies to some degree in cycling, and I used the previous proof as my reasoning, but I can't prove how exactly it applies to it and to what degree. That, I have admitted, is speculation based on reasoning, but not at this point provable.

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    I wonder if Bruyneel will flip on LA if they give him a deal. But then again, its already too late for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug View Post
    +1, and what's Kevin Livingston up to these days?
    He is down in Mellow Johnny's basement in Austin. That is his payout from LA for keeping his mouth shut about the doping he witnessed and partook of.
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    Forget Livingston, what about Alphonse???
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    Quote Originally Posted by bgilchrist View Post
    You honestly believe that?
    Yes, because USADA has publicly stated that. He would have been allowed to retain 5 of his 7 TdF wins, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tagaproject6 View Post
    I wonder if Bruyneel will flip on LA if they give him a deal. But then again, its already too late for that.
    Yeah, that horse has bolted the barn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bgilchrist View Post
    So what happens to the accusers?
    Interesting word choice. Since when is a witness an accuser? The only one who could be considered an accuser is Landis since he initiated contact with USADA and worked to initiate the investigation.

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