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Old 10-17-12, 07:23 AM   #501
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nike...rongs-contract

So when is Trek going to drop him? They probably know about the doping activities, I think I saw another article somewhere about that, so the answer is probably "never".

As a side-note, from someone who walks a straight line in life, I love justice.
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my apologies…honorless man

I have sent the following notice to the Livestrong foundation that pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter, However in the past I have had heated arguments with members in here in the past concerning the lying, cheating, honorless man. I offer you my apologies… I supported the wrong side of an argument.


“Threw it all I supported him. Others would jeer and make fun of the doper etc… I continued to step up based on his word and lack of physical evidence presented by accusers.

The doping was wrong, but in our nation forgiveness often comes easier than one would expect. However the betrayal of continuing to lie has cost him my support. There is no justification or lame everybody did it in order to level the field excuse that is acceptable. I believed in him, because he gave his word. That used to mean something.


In addition I will no longer support the Livestrong foundation. There are several other organizations that fight cancer and provide services to those in need. My time, energy and financial support will be moved to one of them.

Take me off your mailing list.”
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Livestrong Replaces Lance - Nike Too

Did Lance really think he could win the public relations battle over his reputation with this ludicrous policy of denial? Now the crown jewels of the Armstrong empire are seeking representation elsewhere.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-...icle-1.1185478

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Now I just read that Omega Pharma fired Levi. How are they ever gonna clean up pro cycling when people coming forward with their doping history are being canned?

Maybe the idea of a general amnesty in exchange for coming forth with doping tales is not such a bad idea.

Just mind-boggling, that's all. And what a mess.
Matt White just got fired from Cycling Australia. How many more are going to lose jobs??
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everyone. It seems unlikely pro cycling survives in its present form.
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Matt White just got fired from Cycling Australia. How many more are going to lose jobs??
It will probably continue until cyclists learn that is the price of telling the truth.
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It will probably continue until cyclists learn that is the price of telling the truth.
Lance would undoubtedly disagree! Not telling the truth has been a disaster for him.
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The whole industry is going to take a financial hit because of this.
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I have always believed LA doped. I have also contributed to Livestrong in my late mother's name, because it was a way to kinda dovetail my cycling passion with my loss. The whole mess just makes me sad now. I wish I could go to sleep tonight, then find out when I wake up tomorrow morning that all this "crap" has been a strange trip.

Just sad, whichever way you dice it.
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Why?
Because Lance and his success was an inspiration to many to ride or ride more, and if he is generally considered to be a disgrace rather than a hero he will not have this effect. I don't think it will hurt the industry too much, though. I personally think the industry's focus on racing and racing equipment is to its detriment - if bike shops were all full of city bikes, hybrids, cargo bikes, and biefiets (sp?)... and staff who didn't look at them and the people who use them as less important than the corresponding racers... the whole industry and the world would be a better place.

However, it needs to be repeated: If he had stepped forward like a man and admitted his doping rather than covering it up like a street thug, people would forgive him pretty quick. People love tearful appologies.
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However, it needs to be repeated: If he had stepped forward like a man and admitted his doping rather than covering it up like a street thug, people would forgive him pretty quick. People love tearful appologies.
I agree. However, I dont think its too late to apologize now.

People are forgiving. Its not like Lance was the only one doping so people will understand that.

I would recommend to him that he come out and give full disclosure and apologize.
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I agree. However, I dont think its too late to apologize now.

People are forgiving. Its not like Lance was the only one doping so people will understand that.

I would recommend to him that he come out and give full disclosure and apologize.
I do not think this will ever happen. It just seems to me that it is not in the constitution of LA to go the "full disclosure and apologize route". Though I'll like to be proved wrong!
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"Due to the seemingly insurmountable evidence that Lance Armstrong participated in doping and misled Nike for more than a decade, it is with great sadness that we have terminated our contract with him," the company said, in a statement.

Makes you wonder: if the company with whom Lance has a multi-million dollar business history is willing to calling the USADA report "seemingly insurmountable evidence," and claim that their decades-long Poster Boy "misled" them, who is left that actually believes Lance didn't dope?
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This isn't such a comedy piece any longer

http://www.theonion.com/articles/hav...n-a-way,29317/
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Why?
Because the industry works on thin margins (for the bread and butter products), and the destruction of the sport's ONLY icon to the average, casual fan is enough to make him/her think twice about watching the sport on TV and then eventually going to the LBS and buying a bike.

I'm not talking about a 25-50% slump in sales. 10% is what I consider "big" (enough to make the difference between breaking even and losing money), and it's enough to affect the companies that haven't fully recovered from 2008-2009.
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This isn't such a comedy piece any longer

http://www.theonion.com/articles/hav...n-a-way,29317/

You could substitute the names of about 100 cyclists in that article.
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The whole industry is going to take a financial hit because of this.
Good. Then maybe bikes will become affordable again.
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I have sent the following notice to the Livestrong foundation that pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter, However in the past I have had heated arguments with members in here in the past concerning the lying, cheating, honorless man. I offer you my apologies… I supported the wrong side of an argument.


“Threw it all I supported him. Others would jeer and make fun of the doper etc… I continued to step up based on his word and lack of physical evidence presented by accusers.

The doping was wrong, but in our nation forgiveness often comes easier than one would expect. However the betrayal of continuing to lie has cost him my support. There is no justification or lame everybody did it in order to level the field excuse that is acceptable. I believed in him, because he gave his word. That used to mean something.


In addition I will no longer support the Livestrong foundation. There are several other organizations that fight cancer and provide services to those in need. My time, energy and financial support will be moved to one of them.

Take me off your mailing list.”
No worries! We have to believe in something in life, sometimes it turns out to be the wrong thing.
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Waiting for a new add, "Screw the gear, it's all in the Dope." WIsh I where a better cyclist just so I could restore some honor to our community.
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Please, everyone who's still posting doubts that Armstrong doped, most tested athlete, etc. etc.

Take a few minutes to actually read a few things before you further embarrass yourselves.
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Please, everyone who's still posting doubts that Armstrong doped, most tested athlete, etc. etc.

Take a few minutes to actually read a few things before you further embarrass yourselves.
Do you think they will? LAnce fanboys have been making fools out of themselfs for a decade.

Though I guess if your post saves only one it is worth it.
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Do you think they will? LAnce fanboys have been making fools out of themselfs for a decade.

Though I guess if your post saves only one it is worth it.
Well, the Livestrong interns may have gotten new marching orders today, so there's that hope.
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Did Lance really think he could win the public relations battle over his reputation with this ludicrous policy of denial? Now the crown jewels of the Armstrong empire are seeking representation elsewhere.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-...icle-1.1185478

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Interesting article.
Goodbye Nike, Michelob, Radio Shack and Honey Stinger.
Now what about Trek and Oakley?
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