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Old 01-18-13, 07:50 PM
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It amazes me that the Lance apologists are still going at it hammer and tongs. THAT is a measure of the damage this man has done.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
why is no one going after football players?
Usada is charged with olympic sport. So, any of the professioinal sports that also participate in the olympics should be recieving appropriate scrutiny. Assuming you are reffering to American gridiron style football, it wouldn't be of concern to usada. But, soccer/football should and yet they manage to preclude wada from participating in any out of competition testing and to the best of my knowledge in competion as well, with the exception of the olympics. How? Money and influence. Cycling doesn't have enough of either to keep Wada and the IOC at bay.

I'm just as curious why a few of the other endurance sports don't see the same level of doping control and investigation, distance running and swimming are two that benefit greatly from the same sort of programs as cycling. Personally, I'm not convinced that they're any cleaner, yet we don't hear nearly as many scandals coming from those. The only explanation I have is that, with the exception of a few longer relays, there isn't as much of a team component. Additionally, you have coaches or selection committees for those team as opposed to cycling where lead riders and DS's have a greater role in roster selection, feelings get hurt, and toys get throw out of the pram by those with the ability to hurt those that have upset them.
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I think you can argue the benefits of PED's forever and for every sport. But the truly bad & sad thing in all of this was LA's lies and his bullying, arrogant attitude towards his teammates, his friends and their families. That's the dispicable part of this.
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Originally Posted by Nachoman
I don't think she has been very articulate with her Lance bashing.
Nope.
Im sure Lance hope she keeps it up...
she sounds bat**** crazy too lol
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Originally Posted by europa
It amazes me that the Lance apologists are still going at it hammer and tongs. THAT is a measure of the damage this man has done.
Hold on right there. Those people (Eja, coughcough) were all perfectly screwed up back when Armstrong was anatomically complete and no one in the Tour was wearing helmets.
Armstrong is responsible for a lot of evil in this world, but not for every single clod with a half-formed opinion.
Let's be reasonable.

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I'm glad Lance did this interview.

I'm willing to take him at his word and to believe this confession was real and sincere. Yeah, maybe I'm a fool, but I'm willing to take that chance. It's no big deal on my part, and I'd much rather believe in this man than continue to drag him through the muck, and continue to tear him down. I enjoyed watching him race. I enjoyed seeing his dedication to the sport. I enjoyed seeing his good work at LiveStrong. I enjoyed seeing what he did for the sport here in America. I enjoyed the whole damn story! It was all good. Being that they can't even give any other rider his TDF victories makes me wonder why this all had to happen at all. What was the point of this whole thing? It was a dirty sport, and Lance just played it dirtier than anyone else. He played by the rules he found and he won - again and again and again! A lifetime ban, when the Euro riders get a slap on the wrist? Really?

Is Lance arrogant? Heck yes! Is he full of himself? Of course. But we're all flawed men here, except our flaws are not out in the open for the whole world to see. How lucky we are! I won't throw a stone at this man, because I can't. Can any of us really do that in good conscious?
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
So the standard here is don't kill anyone and you're above reproach?
It seems to me you suffer from a severe case of Schadenfreude with your endless ranting. An awful lot of words for a person you don't even know personally. Karma is a ***** and it works both ways.
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Originally Posted by ngateguy
All you are is justifying illegal and unethical behaviour because everyone else was doing it. It ys true that it is the "norm" but that is all the more you should be up in arms that this investigation is not running deeper and involving the whole sport. That still does not let Lance off the hook for how he has betrayed the sport, fans and even our country.

I don't care what goes on Versus the only time I have it on is during the races and I have the volume off. TV sportscasters are the worst source of information you can find.
It was blood doping that did more harm to himself long term than anything else. Enough drama. The rest of the field was doped and has been doped for decades. All this proves is the bigger you are the further you have to fall. Lance is just the biggest fish.
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Originally Posted by Cat4Lifer
I'd hit it....
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Greg is just ticked that he didn't get popped for doping so he could stay famous.
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Originally Posted by Giacomo 1
I'm glad Lance did this interview.
So you're on Oprah's staff, then?


Originally Posted by Giacomo
maybe I'm a fool
Maybe.


Originally Posted by Giacomo
I'd much rather believe in this man than continue to drag him through the muck, and continue to tear him down.
He tore himself down -- and a bunch of other people to boot.


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What was the point of this whole thing?
I thought the point was to stop people from rationalizing their adoration of a complete bastard. Oh well.


Originally Posted by Giacomo
I won't throw a stone at this man, because I can't. Can any of us really do that in good conscious?


The idea that any commentator needs to be utterly beyond reproach in order to call out Armstrong as a lying, vicious, brutal, arrogant, tactless, self-serving lifelong cheat is the last bastion of the desperate.
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Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
The idea that any commentator needs to be utterly beyond reproach in order to call out Armstrong as a lying, vicious, brutal, arrogant, tactless, self-serving lifelong cheat is the last bastion of the desperate.
Nope.
The last bastion of the desperation is posting lame-ass jpgs.
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Originally Posted by ngateguy
All you are is justifying illegal and unethical behaviour because everyone else was doing it. It ys true that it is the "norm" but that is all the more you should be up in arms that this investigation is not running deeper and involving the whole sport. That still does not let Lance off the hook for how he has betrayed the sport, fans and even our country.

I don't care what goes on Versus the only time I have it on is during the races and I have the volume off. TV sportscasters are the worst source of information you can find.
usually, I'm very overboard on the histrionics of flogging the Pro road cycling scene. BUT, really to single out one rider, no matter how prominant for the obvious faults of an entire Pro level of a sport (road) simply shows some earlier fairy tale vision of that pro sport. Lance won 7 tours a few other -pre-tour races, but there have been many other prominent riders who have similarly Dis'd the sport, their fans and their nations. Pinning the reputation of a nation on any single act, person, activity is belittling and dangerous.
lance does not ( and much of current pro peloton) represent me, either as a sports example or cyclist. Hence I don;t feel betrayed.

His victories - he rode his ass off to get those titles, he prepared with a vision no one else could match. As far as I'm concerned, the vast majority of riders were dopers. I actually didn;t watch pro road racing from '99 to 04 - I was disenfranchised by the OBVIOUS doping. Then I came back to the one day classics, those I luv for their fierce intensity. I started watching the stage races again from '06 on, in spite of the continued doping.

I Don;t condone or justify the rampant doping, but until the sport is cleaned from the very basis - the UCI, the teams owners and directors - I won;t completely blame the riders. Riders are human, with the flaws. AS I said before, if they GROK what they did was wrong and they adjust and act appropriately in the future, then I can support them. If they persist, they're in the ****can. Lance has found he's not above the rest - so now he has decisions to make.

I love road racing - because of that, and because I believe the commitments to being a racer, require a considerable strength. I believe even riders as far gone as Lance, can find the way back - because cycling, the act, the essential test of self, the real high, is so strong it can pull the worst of us back.
There's nothing so bad in organized cycling that could make me truly bitter about it.
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Originally Posted by cat4lifer
nope.
The last bastion of the desperation is posting lame-ass jpgs.
lol
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Originally Posted by Allez3
I'd hit it....
A tad desperate?
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Originally Posted by cyclezen
usually, I'm very overboard on the histrionics of flogging the Pro road cycling scene. BUT, really to single out one rider, no matter how prominant for the obvious faults of an entire Pro level of a sport (road) simply shows some earlier fairy tale vision of that pro sport. Lance won 7 tours a few other -pre-tour races, but there have been many other prominent riders who have similarly Dis'd the sport, their fans and their nations. Pinning the reputation of a nation on any single act, person, activity is belittling and dangerous.
lance does not ( and much of current pro peloton) represent me, either as a sports example or cyclist. Hence I don;t feel betrayed.

His victories - he rode his ass off to get those titles, he prepared with a vision no one else could match. As far as I'm concerned, the vast majority of riders were dopers. I actually didn;t watch pro road racing from '99 to 04 - I was disenfranchised by the OBVIOUS doping. Then I came back to the one day classics, those I luv for their fierce intensity. I started watching the stage races again from '06 on, in spite of the continued doping.

I Don;t condone or justify the rampant doping, but until the sport is cleaned from the very basis - the UCI, the teams owners and directors - I won;t completely blame the riders. Riders are human, with the flaws. AS I said before, if they GROK what they did was wrong and they adjust and act appropriately in the future, then I can support them. If they persist, they're in the ****can. Lance has found he's not above the rest - so now he has decisions to make.

I love road racing - because of that, and because I believe the commitments to being a racer, require a considerable strength. I believe even riders as far gone as Lance, can find the way back - because cycling, the act, the essential test of self, the real high, is so strong it can pull the worst of us back.
There's nothing so bad in organized cycling that could make me truly bitter about it.
Cycling has strong Mojo, I believe in it.
Well said.
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Originally Posted by calamarichris
Hold on right there. Those people (Eja, coughcough) were all perfectly screwed up back when Armstrong was anatomically complete and no one in the Tour was wearing helmets.
Armstrong is responsible for a lot of evil in this world, but not for every single clod with a half-formed opinion.
Let's be reasonable.

"Sure I doped, but don't pin Eja on me man!"
Is that the best you can do? I guess all those years allegedly riding in the wet, cold hinterlands of Belgium affected your brain in more ways than even you realize.
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Lance Claims He Didnt Dope in 2009 and 2010 ?

Anyone believe this ? The evidence against him is lacking.
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If Lance says it then its good. He aint one to lie.
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex
Glasses can correct nearsightedness. A quick look at sponsors and teams that have left the sport in the last few years could also help.
When did Lance race last? Google can correct "nearsightedness".
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I found fairies in the bottom of my garden today. Mind you, they're a lot more active than usual and I didn't realise they came that big, but they aren't on PEDs.
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I didn't dope then either. Did the fairies help the garden, I am going out to look for some now. Lets ask Phil Liggett.
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Is there any way they can test his blood from 09/10 to see if he was lying? Why would he lie now about that if they can? It would only make him look more stupid. I'm assuming they kept samples.
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Statute of limitations thing maybe? The old stuff he can admit to but recent stuff could get him in new trouble?
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He is not the only one who said they did not dope after 2005, all 11 team mates (fellow dopers) who testified against him said the same thing.
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