Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Professional Cycling For the Fans Follow the Tour de France,the Giro de Italia, the Spring Classics, or other professional cycling races? Here's your home...

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-22-10, 06:09 PM   #1
swak
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
swak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 366
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Doping in pro cycling

What are your thoughts on this?

I am doing a paper for school on the topic, and found a lot of interesting views for both sides.
What do you think about it.
Should it be criminalized or how should it be treated, in your opinion?
swak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-10, 06:12 PM   #2
rangerdavid
Senior Member
 
rangerdavid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Boone, North Carolina
Bikes: 2009 Cannondale CAAD9-6 2014 Trek Domaine 5.9
Posts: 5,093
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
drugs should be legal. well, "medical" marijuana anyways. recreational crack and meth, I don't know. Still on the fence about those.



I'm serious. Am I? I am! Am I? Hmmmm.

**sorry, just killing time waiting to eat.....**
rangerdavid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-10, 06:19 PM   #3
ComesATime71
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 183
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The sport was better when they were doped to the gills. Just sayin
ComesATime71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-10, 06:24 PM   #4
JoelS
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Near Sacramento
Bikes:
Posts: 4,890
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Doping is cheating. Send the cheaters to jail. They're still getting off easy. Seems that the pro teams are loosing sponsors when they get caught.

No more drugs = more sponsors = more money in the sport = better for everyone.
__________________
-------

Some sort of pithy irrelevant one-liner should go here.
JoelS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-10, 06:27 PM   #5
coasting 
Still can't climb
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Limey in Taiwan
Bikes:
Posts: 22,645
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
doping is cheating where someone gains an advantage artificially that others don't have.

Easy solution. Prescribe drugs to everyone. level the playing field. what are the chances of this being implemented?
__________________
coasting, few quotes are worthy of him, and of those, even fewer printable in a family forum......quote 3alarmer

No @coasting, you should stay 100% as you are right now, don't change a thing....quote Heathpack
coasting is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-10, 06:36 PM   #6
JaceK
Senior Member
 
JaceK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Saratoga, NY
Bikes: 2007 Trek Madone 5.9 (Shimano DA), 2008 Kuota Khan (SRAM Red), 2009 Giant OCR2 ( Shimano 105 ), Lynsky R340 ( SRAM Rival )
Posts: 613
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by coasting View Post
doping is cheating where someone gains an advantage artificially that others don't have.

Easy solution. Prescribe drugs to everyone. level the playing field. what are the chances of this being implemented?
You actually believe that there i just a few "cheaters"?

The playing field is level, every single sport is loaded with dopers, it's part of the game.
JaceK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-10, 06:41 PM   #7
str8jakett
I pedal in my sleep...
 
str8jakett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Salem VA
Bikes: Giant TCR Advanced 0 ISP
Posts: 287
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If you are writing a paper, have you been to www.bikepure.org?
str8jakett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-10, 06:45 PM   #8
ultraman6970
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 7,860
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Sometimes it is not a thing of who is cheating, it is a thing of who has a better doctor and it is not caught
ultraman6970 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-10, 07:10 PM   #9
swak
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
swak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 366
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by str8jakett View Post
If you are writing a paper, have you been to www.bikepure.org?
Not yet....
Thanks for the link though, definitely helpful.
swak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-10, 07:18 PM   #10
geist
suffering...
 
geist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: EAST VILLAGE, NYC
Bikes: 2009 Cannondale CAPO, 2004 Look 468SL, CAAD 8, IRO MV, IRO bfssfg, 80's Panasonic x2
Posts: 1,048
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The Doping Forum.
geist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-10, 08:05 PM   #11
Walter
SLJ 6/8/65-5/2/07
 
Walter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: SE Florida, USA aka the Treasure Coast
Bikes:
Posts: 5,389
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by geist View Post
That and here.

In fact there it goes....
__________________
“Life is not one damned thing after another. Life is one damned thing over and over.”
Edna St. Vincent Millay
Walter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-10, 08:05 PM   #12
Walter
SLJ 6/8/65-5/2/07
 
Walter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: SE Florida, USA aka the Treasure Coast
Bikes:
Posts: 5,389
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by geist View Post
That and here.

In fact there it goes....
__________________
“Life is not one damned thing after another. Life is one damned thing over and over.”
Edna St. Vincent Millay
Walter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-10, 08:10 PM   #13
caloso
Packfodding 3
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Bikes: Ridley Excalibur, Gazelle Champion Mondial, On-One Pompino, Specialized Rock Hopper
Posts: 33,615
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 55 Post(s)
"Do they expect us to climb these mountains on nothing but mineral water?"

caloso is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-10, 08:32 PM   #14
Homebrew01
Senior Member
 
Homebrew01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ffld Cnty Connecticut
Bikes: Old Steelies I made, Old Cannondales
Posts: 19,563
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 51 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ComesATime71 View Post
The sport was better when they were doped to the gills. Just sayin
Psssst, they still are doped to the gills.
__________________
Bikes: Old steel race bikes, old Cannondale race bikes, less old Cannondale race bike, crappy old mtn bike
Homebrew01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-10, 12:37 AM   #15
rogwilco
snob
 
rogwilco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Vienna
Bikes:
Posts: 1,178
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'm happy to ignore the topic as long as a rider isn't stupid enough to get caught. But I don't have any illusions that the control system works even marginally well.
rogwilco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-10, 10:23 AM   #16
$ick3nin.vend3t
Banned.
 
$ick3nin.vend3t's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 981
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Doping doesn't work for everyone, ask David Millar & look at his Tour results honking EPO. "This beats training all winter" he was thinking, No!... you $hit ****, it doesn't.

We have seen in the past clean riders beat the dopers.

Extremely good source for you too look at;

http://www.cycling4fans.de/index.php?id=4613
$ick3nin.vend3t is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-10, 03:11 PM   #17
BlazingPedals
Senior Member
 
BlazingPedals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Middle of da Mitten
Bikes: Trek 7500, RANS V-Rex, Optima Baron, Velokraft NoCom, M-5 Carbon Highracer, homebuilt recumbent
Posts: 8,812
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 34 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by *****3nin.vend3t View Post

We have seen in the past clean riders beat the dopers.
LOL! Are you sure? I think we've seen in the past riders who didn't get caught beating the dopers. We may never know if they were clean or not.
BlazingPedals is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-10, 03:33 PM   #18
$ick3nin.vend3t
Banned.
 
$ick3nin.vend3t's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 981
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlazingPedals View Post
LOL! Are you sure? I think we've seen in the past riders who didn't get caught beating the dopers. We may never know if they were clean or not.
There has been many cases of clean riders beating the dopers. Armstrong has been been beating them from pillar to post for years & I don't believe his '99 EPO case. A clean Jan Ullrich at 42% hematocrit in the '97 Tour beating a honking Riis by almost 30 minutes.

Many cases.

And don't forget, EPO is also proven to reduce athletic performance via dehydration, loss of electrolytes, death etc. What a load of $hit. Maybe you can ask David Millar.
$ick3nin.vend3t is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-10, 05:29 PM   #19
hipcheck5
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 210
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Yeah, Millar about his World Championship...oh, wait he lost it because he was doping to win it.
hipcheck5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-10, 07:38 PM   #20
$ick3nin.vend3t
Banned.
 
$ick3nin.vend3t's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 981
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Millars Tour De France results honking EPO... Showing off doping's awesomeness...

2000; 62th
2001; withdraws; stage 10
2002; 68th
2003; 55th
2006;
2007; 69th
2008; 68th

Incredible... I guess Armstrong was correct, it is the rider after all...
$ick3nin.vend3t is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-10, 12:49 AM   #21
rogwilco
snob
 
rogwilco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Vienna
Bikes:
Posts: 1,178
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by *****3nin.vend3t View Post
There has been many cases of clean riders beating the dopers. Armstrong has been been beating them from pillar to post for years & I don't believe his '99 EPO case. A clean Jan Ullrich at 42% hematocrit in the '97 Tour beating a honking Riis by almost 30 minutes.

Many cases.

And don't forget, EPO is also proven to reduce athletic performance via dehydration, loss of electrolytes, death etc. What a load of $hit. Maybe you can ask David Millar.
lol
rogwilco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-10, 02:59 PM   #22
hipcheck5
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 210
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by *****3nin.vend3t View Post
Millars Tour De France results honking EPO... Showing off doping's awesomeness...

2000; 62th
2001; withdraws; stage 10
2002; 68th
2003; 55th
2006;
2007; 69th
2008; 68th

Incredible... I guess Armstrong was correct, it is the rider after all...
Are you always this ignorant?
hipcheck5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-10, 03:17 PM   #23
gnome 
shaken, not stirred.
 
gnome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: The Shaky Isles.
Bikes: I've lost count.
Posts: 2,960
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipcheck5 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by *****3nin.vend3t View Post
Millars Tour De France results honking EPO... Showing off doping's awesomeness...

2000; 62th
2001; withdraws; stage 10
2002; 68th
2003; 55th
2006;
2007; 69th
2008; 68th

Incredible... I guess Armstrong was correct, it is the rider after all...
Are you always this ignorant?
I'd say no; he's just a troll.
__________________
Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. ~Mark Twain, "Taming the Bicycle"
vBulletin: snafu
gnome is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-10, 04:16 PM   #24
$ick3nin.vend3t
Banned.
 
$ick3nin.vend3t's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 981
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipcheck5 View Post
Are you always this ignorant?
Just stating, Lets not put too much emphasis on EPO or performance enhancing drugs, there not all that. Past results/performances under the influence of honking, prove me correct. I am a troll but more of a realist. I've done EPO, its crap & can't make you a contender or Tour winner.
$ick3nin.vend3t is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-10, 06:09 PM   #25
umd
Banned
 
umd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
Posts: 28,387
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipcheck5 View Post
Are you always this ignorant?
he is
umd is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:31 PM.