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Landis drops EPO bomb on modern Pro Cycling. Lance is in the bullseye
05-20-10, 01:01 AM
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It's a fabrication.
The French were going to drown a whole crate of puppies unless Floyd sent that e-mail. It'll all come out in the next book.
The French were going to drown a whole crate of puppies unless Floyd sent that e-mail. It'll all come out in the next book.
05-20-10, 01:08 AM
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05-20-10, 01:20 AM
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05-20-10, 01:26 AM
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05-20-10, 01:29 AM
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All this will do, whether true or not, will lead to calls of 'where's your hard evidence?' and libel cases. Particularly from a certain Texan.
05-20-10, 01:34 AM
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05-20-10, 01:34 AM
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You're right there. There will be a lot of hands over the ears and unwillingness to accept what's being said or even just discuss it, primarily because the top dogs have been mentioned. I expect to see and read more condemnation of Landis than investigation of the real facts.
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05-20-10, 01:37 AM
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I know a certain Irish journalist who'll be having kittens over this....
05-20-10, 01:50 AM
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He just doesnt seem real credible.
05-20-10, 01:53 AM
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05-20-10, 02:00 AM
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Kimmage....he'll be salivating or something. Especially with George being named too.
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05-20-10, 02:15 AM
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if only life was that simple.
perhaps?
because lie detector tests are so reliable.
oh look, a lemming.
i'll be sure to let him know how you feel.
because lie detector tests are so reliable.
oh look, a lemming.
i'll be sure to let him know how you feel.
05-20-10, 02:24 AM
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If it's true, I'm extremely disappointed over all, but I give him credit for having the guts to come forward. You know he's going to get a lot of backlash for this, particularly from Armstrong. If it's not true, then he deserves the **** storm that's coming his way. The next few months (at least) will be very interesting.
That's what a coward is, not a martyr.
05-20-10, 02:36 AM
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Doping has been a part of professional cycling since day 1 and nothing has changed... the controls have gotten tighter and the methods to evade those controls has improved right along with them.
Coppi freely admitted to taking anything that would give him a competitive edge since everyone else was doing the same thing... during his day there were no rules against doping and he said, in regard to doping , " those who claim otherwise, it's not worth talking to them about cycling."
And the man who may have been the greatest cyclist of all time also said that he needed to take amphetamines all the time to remain competitive.
I believe that Merckx may have been one of the cleanest of them all and even he failed several tests during his amazing career.
I know a reputable person who used to race against Leipheimer just before Levi became a professional and said that everyone knew why Levi suddenly went from being one of the better riders (but not dominant) to being an amazing rider.
He is understandably bitter as he abandoned his racing career when he refused to participate in what was rampant doping but without that added kick he could not remain competitive in a sport where all the successful riders were on the juice.
Coppi's words are still true today... and I do not believe that there has been a top rider in the past 40 years who hasn't had a really good pharmacist on their training staff.
The fanboys will go to their grave believing that Lance never doped because he is an American hero and has a lot riding on his image as the all time TdF leader who has never tested positive despite competing against notorious dopers.
Sure.
And pigs have wings.
My friend raced in the 50's and 60's and said nearly everyone was doping... said he never used drugs and of course... never stood at the top of the podium... but still placed really well.
He is a bit of a physical prodigy who, at 75, is still an amazing rider... one could believe that he did not need to take anything to enhance what are some impressive natural abilities as he can still tear the legs off people half his age.
Perhaps Lance will be able to talk more freely about things like this when he and the sport have less to lose although the doping scandals and attempts to cover what is a widespread problem are really hurting one of the greatest sports on earth.
The greatest sport on earth is of course, hockey.
Coppi freely admitted to taking anything that would give him a competitive edge since everyone else was doing the same thing... during his day there were no rules against doping and he said, in regard to doping , " those who claim otherwise, it's not worth talking to them about cycling."
And the man who may have been the greatest cyclist of all time also said that he needed to take amphetamines all the time to remain competitive.
I believe that Merckx may have been one of the cleanest of them all and even he failed several tests during his amazing career.
I know a reputable person who used to race against Leipheimer just before Levi became a professional and said that everyone knew why Levi suddenly went from being one of the better riders (but not dominant) to being an amazing rider.
He is understandably bitter as he abandoned his racing career when he refused to participate in what was rampant doping but without that added kick he could not remain competitive in a sport where all the successful riders were on the juice.
Coppi's words are still true today... and I do not believe that there has been a top rider in the past 40 years who hasn't had a really good pharmacist on their training staff.
The fanboys will go to their grave believing that Lance never doped because he is an American hero and has a lot riding on his image as the all time TdF leader who has never tested positive despite competing against notorious dopers.
Sure.
And pigs have wings.
My friend raced in the 50's and 60's and said nearly everyone was doping... said he never used drugs and of course... never stood at the top of the podium... but still placed really well.
He is a bit of a physical prodigy who, at 75, is still an amazing rider... one could believe that he did not need to take anything to enhance what are some impressive natural abilities as he can still tear the legs off people half his age.
Perhaps Lance will be able to talk more freely about things like this when he and the sport have less to lose although the doping scandals and attempts to cover what is a widespread problem are really hurting one of the greatest sports on earth.
The greatest sport on earth is of course, hockey.
05-20-10, 02:38 AM
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Sorry, but 
Anyway, I don't see how this changes anything. None of what Landis says there is surprising, but even if Landis were no such a discredited liar, it's just his word, he doesn't have any proof. And the UCI can't ban someone just based on someone else's statement.
Anyway, I don't see how this changes anything. None of what Landis says there is surprising, but even if Landis were no such a discredited liar, it's just his word, he doesn't have any proof. And the UCI can't ban someone just based on someone else's statement.
Oh yes he does. Between Landis, Andreu, and Vaughters, there is enough proof to bring the whole house of cards down. Proof of doping that not even the general public knows about. Armstrong is just the begninning, not the end. Bruyneel needs to be very afraid.
05-20-10, 03:12 AM
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What are we talking about here, the public or the courts? Maybe Landis knows stuff that could taint Armstrong's image (although I think the people who still think he was clean are incorrigible) and other people too, but that's not the same burden of proof that would be required to get any of them out of cycling legally.
05-20-10, 03:56 AM
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05-20-10, 04:03 AM
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05-20-10, 04:03 AM
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I find the reactions here quite interesting.
When someone claims innocence when caught doping, everyone is quick to dismiss those claims (a perfectly justifiable response, I might add).
However, when a doper (who is probably in the best position to know who else is doping) starts naming other cyclists, the wagons are drawn and everyone is quick to dismiss the statements as bitterness, lies, etc. (especially if their particular sporting hero is involved).
And then people wonder why it is so hard to clean up doping. GMAFB.
V.
When someone claims innocence when caught doping, everyone is quick to dismiss those claims (a perfectly justifiable response, I might add).
However, when a doper (who is probably in the best position to know who else is doping) starts naming other cyclists, the wagons are drawn and everyone is quick to dismiss the statements as bitterness, lies, etc. (especially if their particular sporting hero is involved).
And then people wonder why it is so hard to clean up doping. GMAFB.
V.
05-20-10, 04:27 AM
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As long as we here in the US stay in a state of denial Lances reputation will remain safe here. Those with more inquisitive minds have to doubt it. I for one find a basis for veracity in Landis's statement and certainly dont think that it should be dismissed out of hand.
Nike is having a bad week. First Dr. Galea gets indicted and in my mind ceratinly messes up Tigers purity, and now Lance get slammed again.
Nike is having a bad week. First Dr. Galea gets indicted and in my mind ceratinly messes up Tigers purity, and now Lance get slammed again.