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    No Vuelta for RadioShack

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/radi...-espana-invite

    Spanish teams got in (no surprise) and I can't argue against Cervélo TestTeam, Team Sky, Katusha and Garmin-Transitions.

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    Yeah, they said it was because RadioShack wasn't going to bring a sporting enough team. Although Levi was going. Maybe because they wanted Lance.
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    I assume it is the same deal with BMC. Evans probably wouldn't do the Vuelta after riding the other two tours.

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    BMC could've sent a strong team, including a former world champion (Ballan) who has next to no racing this year due to his, seemingly undeserved, suspension. Radioshack's B-team is better than many other teams' best. It all comes down to politics, I suppose. If they offered appearance money to Armstrong, and he accepted it, he'd be in the dog house again, right? As the world turns...

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    If Radio Shack HAD Vuelta the staff couldn't find the price or warranty information and the back order wouldn't be in.

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    In my opinion this have something to do with that Spaniards HATE LANCE!! thats the only argument strong enough to do not get the invitation and now with the doping stuff moving around back again, u go figure, doubt it is because of a problem with the racers who the team might sent.

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    Wonder who they put in for their roster. But either way, 6 teams only, with two going to spanish national teams. Cervelo, Garmin, and Sky are all better teams than Radioshack. Picking Katusha over Radioshack is a bit more debatable though.

    Edit: saw on their website who they put in: Levi, Kloden, Horner, Jani. I mean, Lance isn't on the list, but that's still a pretty solid lineup. Odd.
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    Bruyneel deserves the Team Radioshack Vuelta snub

    Well,

    Team Radio Shack (or any team managed by Bruyneel) has always been one thing: Lance Armstrong, and because of this, I think legitimately it has historically resulted in Bruyneel's team's (whether on purpose or not), resulted in a perception that unless Lance is in the race, then the race is not important to Bruyneel or his team. Let's not forget the face that Bruyneel essentially gave the finger to the Giro by having Lance race in the Giro for no other reason than to train for the Tour. And if there is one thing you do not want to do with the other two grand tours, it is to indicate at all that the TdF is a more important or prestigious race.

    I do not feel sorry for Bruyneel or Team Radio Shack. The fact is, Bruyneel has done nothing but treated the other races (the Classics, Giro and Vuelta as nothing more than an afterthought. It may have been a shrewd financial move by Bruyneel and Lance in the day, but now those decisions are coming home to roost. I think the Vuelta is right to snub teams that have historically treated the way Bruyneel has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
    Well,

    Team Radio Shack (or any team managed by Bruyneel) has always been one thing: Lance Armstrong, and because of this, I think legitimately it has historically resulted in Bruyneel's team's (whether on purpose or not), resulted in a perception that unless Lance is in the race, then the race is not important to Bruyneel or his team. Let's not forget the face that Bruyneel essentially gave the finger to the Giro by having Lance race in the Giro for no other reason than to train for the Tour. And if there is one thing you do not want to do with the other two grand tours, it is to indicate at all that the TdF is a more important or prestigious race.

    I do not feel sorry for Bruyneel or Team Radio Shack. The fact is, Bruyneel has done nothing but treated the other races (the Classics, Giro and Vuelta as nothing more than an afterthought. It may have been a shrewd financial move by Bruyneel and Lance in the day, but now those decisions are coming home to roost. I think the Vuelta is right to snub teams that have historically treated the way Bruyneel has.


    you've got a slam-dunk argument with the classics & giro over the last decade. it's including the vuelta that i take issue with.

    2001-us postal-levi finished 3rd, heras 4th, rubiera 7th.
    2002-us postal-heras finished 2nd.
    2003-us postal-heras won the general classification.
    2006-discovery-won the team classification & climbers jersey (egoi martinez).
    2008-astana-contador won the general classification, levi finished 2nd.

    not even counting individual stage wins during this decade (danielson, zabriskie, et al), you'd be hard
    pressed to find a team that did better over the same stretch. bruyneel may not have been there
    100% of the time but his fingerprints were all over the teams (us postal/disco/astana) that did show.
    not that i'm a huge johan apologist but it does a disservice to criticize arguably the most consistent vuelta team(s) of the last decade.

    maybe they'll be miffed enuff to win san sebastian & lombardia. it would be a nice change and they've got the riders to do it. frankly, it would be more impressive (to me) for team shack to win both of those instead of winning the vuelta.

    wow, how could i forget salvodelli winning the 2005 giro for discovery? arguably my favorite gt of the entire decade! even though discovery won it in 2005, bruyneel-based/led teams haven't exactly
    prioritized the giro as highly as most teams. a shame really because (as many of us would agree-this
    year being a perfect example) the giro has been the most exciting gt in recent memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
    I do not feel sorry for Bruyneel or Team Radio Shack. The fact is, Bruyneel has done nothing but treated the other races (the Classics, Giro and Vuelta as nothing more than an afterthought.
    That makes no sense. The 2005 Giro was won by Discovery's Paolo Savoldelli. Bruyneel sent strong lineups to the Giro many times, with the intention of winning it. He would have done the same at the Vuelta this year, just like he did when he sent the winning team there in 2008. The RadioShack roster (and the Postal, Discovery, and Astana rosters before them) is built for stage races, especially the Grand Tours, and they have done well everywhere they went.

    Funny that the Vuelta organizer had no issue with Bruyneel when Contador was riding for him.

    If you don't feel the love for Bruyneel and Co, that's fine. A lot of people don't. Personally, I think the selection process is flawed/crooked/biased, etc. Hopefully, things will improve when the ProTour idea is finally put to rest, which I believe is imminent.

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    But radioshack is a protour team. so if the uci/protour had more influence then radioshack would've been invited. if the uci/protour has less influence then the ASO (and RCS and uniwhatever) have more influence. If I remember correctly, the ASO owns big chunks of the giro and vuelta. Close to half of each? The ASO already shut out Bruyneel from the Tour once. Now all three GTs will have snubbed Bruyneel once. It seems the vuelta people just don't want Bruyneel there. Apparently, all the drama outweighs the wins for the vuelta organizers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by everything View Post
    But radioshack is a protour team. so if the uci/protour had more influence then radioshack would've been invited. if the uci/protour has less influence then the ASO (and RCS and uniwhatever) have more influence. If I remember correctly, the ASO owns big chunks of the giro and vuelta. Close to half of each? The ASO already shut out Bruyneel from the Tour once. Now all three GTs will have snubbed Bruyneel once. It seems the vuelta people just don't want Bruyneel there. Apparently, all the drama outweighs the wins for the vuelta organizers.
    I'm no expert, but from what I understand, after the unsightly row between the organizers and the UCI a few years back, ProTour status no longer means automatic selection. The organizers must accept only a portion of the ProTour teams, and can fill the rest of the field as they see fit. This is why you see several Italian Continental-level squads in the Giro, and Spanish squads in the Vuelta, and French squads in the Tour. The part that is biased is which of the ProTour teams get invited.

    Obviously, this isn't based upon results. Does anyone really think that Quick Step is going to field a strong climbing team for the Tour or the Vuelta? Hell no, that team is built around the classics, period. Same with Lotto. They might have one climber, which they'll call their GC rider. But that doesn't mean its a team worth considering for the GC. Win a stage? Maybe. Ask Cadel what he thinks about Lotto's chances. However, you see Quick Step and Lotto have been chosen to compete in all 3 of the Grand Tours. I recall reading (probably in CycleSport) that Lotto was planning on winning the Giro with Matt Lloyd. How'd that work out? A joke, obviously.

    Again, I'm no expert. I think that, when the ProTour is gone, the new selection system is supposed to be based on results, not politics or geography. At least, that's the idea. The reality? Time will tell.

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    Absolute BS if you ask me. What a joke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Namenda View Post
    I'm no expert, but from what I understand, after the unsightly row between the organizers and the UCI a few years back, ProTour status no longer means automatic selection. The organizers must accept only a portion of the ProTour teams, and can fill the rest of the field as they see fit. This is why you see several Italian Continental-level squads in the Giro, and Spanish squads in the Vuelta, and French squads in the Tour. The part that is biased is which of the ProTour teams get invited.

    Obviously, this isn't based upon results. Does anyone really think that Quick Step is going to field a strong climbing team for the Tour or the Vuelta? Hell no, that team is built around the classics, period. Same with Lotto. They might have one climber, which they'll call their GC rider. But that doesn't mean its a team worth considering for the GC. Win a stage? Maybe. Ask Cadel what he thinks about Lotto's chances. However, you see Quick Step and Lotto have been chosen to compete in all 3 of the Grand Tours. I recall reading (probably in CycleSport) that Lotto was planning on winning the Giro with Matt Lloyd. How'd that work out? A joke, obviously.

    Again, I'm no expert. I think that, when the ProTour is gone, the new selection system is supposed to be based on results, not politics or geography. At least, that's the idea. The reality? Time will tell.
    I do agree that there are problems with who gets selected and how, but I don't think a team necessarily needs a GC threat to be a solid team. I mean, say QuickStep built their team around getting Boonen the green jersey. Would that be so wrong? The Tour seems to throw the sprinters more of a bone than the Giro, that's for sure.
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    I think ASO/Vuelta were afraid that TRS would send its B-team and win! Such a thing could have been considered a comment on the overall quality of the field and the race itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadierookie View Post
    Absolute BS if you ask me. What a joke!
    Agreed.

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    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuel...eam-selections

    "It was when we were analyzing the wider sporting implications of the selections that we settled on the six teams that were given invites. Whether some of the teams are better than others is a discussion that I'm not willing to get into."

    I don't think anyone here mentioned that they also won the tour of the basque country and that race counts for plenty. So yeah, clearly, it's about the "wider sporting implications." But, beyond the drama, maybe the vuelta people are also wondering if radioshack will still be a sponsor after Lance re-retires which is not compelling compared to a long term commitment like Sky is making.

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