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Old 07-13-10, 09:09 PM   #226
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I second the motion way above in this thread that it would be a great idea for the Radio Shack team to right now go ahead and implant electric motors inside Lance's seat tube. So that our ageless hero comes from way behind for a late career TOF win. Thereby positively motivating donaters to cancer charities.

If the above somehow seems like shady morality, then maybe instead it would be a better idea for all concerned to cooperate with and support any investigations into what happened in the past.
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Apparently, Lance denied owning any part of Tailwind Sports today. He had testified otherwise under oath in a previous lawsuit.

What is going on?
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I think it's as it relates to the time USPS was the sponsor
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Why our government is wasting time getting involved in all these sports is beyond me. Honestly if they're all doping, that's fine.
Do we really want to live in a world where anyone who wants to succeed or take part in success has to submit to being pumped up into RoboCyclist by some dodgy back-alley chemist or 'doctor'? If X number of professionals were all hired to knowingly pump themselves up to some league standard that would be one thing, but this behavior trickles down through thousands of hopefuls trying to run with the big boys by various dangerous means.
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Why our government is wasting time getting involved in all these sports is beyond me. Honestly if they're all doping, that's fine. If they can actually put an end to the doping entirely, that's fine too. Either way, all I really want to see is an even playing field.
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What is going on?
The Feds, and not some cycling police group, are investigating. This thing has taken a major turn for the ______ depending on your point of view. My money says it's going to get very ugly.
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Sex, LIes and Videotape?

First thought, the feds are letting Floyd Landis direct their investigation. The government has not done anything efficiently in over 200 years, why start now? They will get as far walking my dog.

Second, every team Armstrong has ever ridden on has been the best funded, best equipped in the entire sport. USPS was the first team to take all their riders to the wind tunnel when only about 1/3 of the other teams stepped up and sent their star rider to be tested. Look at their bikes, kit, sunglasses, endorsements, etc.

Also, many other teams had trouble in thetime trials because that was thefirst time they had seen their time trial bike. The USPS riders all had their own sent home for practice.

Since USPS had this kind of resources, why sell their bicycles? If you ever sold a bike, you would know that would not make enough for the team to get a hit of meth amphetamine much less power a major league doping program.

Lots of other places to make accusations Floyd, I used to feel that you got railroaded, but yes or no, it's painfully obvious that you're just not that bright.
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why sell their bicycles?
Alot of people want to hear others answer that question under oath. Lawyers for Trek said they knew bikes were being sold. Your question is valid, why?

And the whole thing makes me sick to my stomach, I'm in watch and see mode. I hate all of it but it's hard to ignore.
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Lots of other places to make accusations Floyd, I used to feel that you got railroaded, but yes or no, it's painfully obvious that you're just not that bright.

You're saying someone isn't bright while addressing them in the first person despite the fact that they're clearly not here?
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Either way, all I really want to see is an even playing field.
In your imagination there is a clear delineation here. So let's arbitrarily say pro tour stage race guys get to use whatever they want. So what happens to continental pros who are trying to make the grade? What happens to American domestic pros who are trying to get to Europe? What happens to guys like me who can actually race against domestic pros?

Every couple of years some local guy who is racing great and seems poised to maybe jump up to to the next level gets popped. To deny that this trickles down is to stick your head in the sand. Ultimately it means that juniors who are fast and inspired to dedicate their life to this get on the program.
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Lots of teams used to sell their bikes, so let's make the clear delineation that it wasn't just US Postal. Whether it was to fund doping or not, who knows. I'm guessing lessor teams couldn't fund a systematic doping program, and had to sell bikes just to help support the team.
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Old 07-15-10, 07:04 AM   #237
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Any chance you can cite the last time a major breakthrough came from one of these countries?


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Try this. One picked at random from a host of British, French, German, Swiss etc. successes. Medical science doesn't begin and end in the USA, whatever BS you choose to believe.
Thanks chasm, that ticked me off too. And if you want a recent specific drug, try Gardasil; its underlying technology was discovered in Australia.
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Old 07-15-10, 12:25 PM   #238
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Let's see... lost my grandfather and great-uncle to colon cancer, my ex had uterine cancer (at 25!), and I fully expect to fall to it one day if nothing else gets me first. I still believe Livestrong! is a yellow turd of a brand sold to attention *****s so they can claim they got it "because they really care".
so with all this loss in your life...and trust me i have had loss from cancer...you think that Livestrong is that bad. Have you ever seen how much it cost to do the "walk for the cure". Maybe you think Livestrong is a money pit but to put it in perspective there are no regulations on ANY non profit organization concerning how much money actually goes to the cause. For all the events and even the Website i think Livestrong is doing more to change the lives of people dealing with cancer or cancer loss than any other organization.
Im not ripping on Susan G Komen but I think your taking your "Lance hate" and spreading it to anything that has to do with him.
I wear a Yellow bracelet proudly, because i remember what my aunt looked like 1 week before she died, and I know how hard she fought and Livestrong embodies the fight, in your daily life, AGAINST cancer...not just to find a pill that will cure it.


BTW, why would they sell gear to pay for doping. Its not like they were hurting for money at that time.
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Everyone should watch the movie Bigger Faster Stronger. Floyd Landis is in it. If you hate all dopers...you might as well stop watching sports.
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From today's Washington Post, a lot of interesting background on how the federal investigation got started and where it is going:

""A couple of guys have confirmed components of what [Landis] said, but what Novitzky is really interested in is not whether Lance Armstrong used EPO to win the Tour de France -- that's not his mandate -- but whether there was tax evasion, contract fraud, importing drugs, using money to buy pharmaceuticals," said an individual with knowledge of the investigation. "That's why the investigation has gone global."

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^Things does not look good at all. I am thinking some people and their lawyers are already looking to come clean in exchange for immunity.

And the stuff about organized doping by teams instead of letting individual team members handle their own doping? Who knew?
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Just to make sure no one is left out, the NY Daily News is now reporting that Greg Lemond has also been subpoened. Interestingly, he has been asked to produce any documents that relate to *any* of the teams that Armstrong has led -- US Postal, Discovery, Astana, or Radio Shack.

I don't know how/why Lemond would have such documents, but interesting that the probe is not just limited to U.S. Postal:

"Three-time Tour de France champion Greg LeMond has been served with a grand jury subpoena as the federal government widens its probe into potential doping conspiracies on Lance Armstrong's cycling teams.

The subpoena, requesting documents and testimony by LeMond, was issued by a grand jury in the U.S. District Court of the Central District of California, where prosecutors have been gathering evidence collected by Food and Drug Administration criminal investigator Jeff Novitzky, who uncovered the BALCO doping scandal.

Among the documents that the subpoena orders LeMond to produce are any that are related to the four cycling teams Armstrong has led on the Tour de France since his comeback from cancer to victory in 1998: U.S. Postal Service, Discovery Channel, Astana, and Radio Shack.

The letter orders LeMond to appear at a federal courthouse in Los Angeles on July 30.

LeMond and Armstrong have feuded for years, especially after 2001, when LeMond spoke to an investigative journalist from Britain who was reporting on Armstrong's relationship with a controversial Italian doctor.

"We are overjoyed," said LeMond's wife, Kathy. "I hope the truth will come out."

Armstrong has vigorously denied doping throughout his career, which includes seven Tour de France victories and numerous allegations of performance-enhancing drug use.

In May, his former teammate Floyd Landis went public with accusations that he saw Armstrong dope as part of a sophisticated program on the U.S. Postal Service cycling team between 2002 and 2005.

Last month the Daily News first reported that a search warrant had been executed on the home of fashion designer Michael Ball, who owned a cycling team whose roster included several former Postal Service riders.

Last week, the Daily News reported that the Trek Bicycle Corporation had been subpoenaed. The company is a sponsor of Armstrong's teams, and was involved in nasty breach-of-contract litigation with LeMond in 2008 until early this year. LeMond's subpoena orders him to produce documents related to that lawsuit."
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Now we know his Amish a$$ is full of shiest.
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Just to make sure no one is left out, the NY Daily News is now reporting that Greg Lemond has also been subpoened. Interestingly, he has been asked to produce any documents that relate to *any* of the teams that Armstrong has led -- US Postal, Discovery, Astana, or Radio Shack.

I don't know how/why Lemond would have such documents, but interesting that the probe is not just limited to U.S. Postal:

"Three-time Tour de France champion Greg LeMond has been served with a grand jury subpoena as the federal government widens its probe into potential doping conspiracies on Lance Armstrong's cycling teams.

The subpoena, requesting documents and testimony by LeMond, was issued by a grand jury in the U.S. District Court of the Central District of California, where prosecutors have been gathering evidence collected by Food and Drug Administration criminal investigator Jeff Novitzky, who uncovered the BALCO doping scandal.

Among the documents that the subpoena orders LeMond to produce are any that are related to the four cycling teams Armstrong has led on the Tour de France since his comeback from cancer to victory in 1998: U.S. Postal Service, Discovery Channel, Astana, and Radio Shack.

The letter orders LeMond to appear at a federal courthouse in Los Angeles on July 30.

LeMond and Armstrong have feuded for years, especially after 2001, when LeMond spoke to an investigative journalist from Britain who was reporting on Armstrong's relationship with a controversial Italian doctor.

"We are overjoyed," said LeMond's wife, Kathy. "I hope the truth will come out."

Armstrong has vigorously denied doping throughout his career, which includes seven Tour de France victories and numerous allegations of performance-enhancing drug use.

In May, his former teammate Floyd Landis went public with accusations that he saw Armstrong dope as part of a sophisticated program on the U.S. Postal Service cycling team between 2002 and 2005.

Last month the Daily News first reported that a search warrant had been executed on the home of fashion designer Michael Ball, who owned a cycling team whose roster included several former Postal Service riders.

Last week, the Daily News reported that the Trek Bicycle Corporation had been subpoenaed. The company is a sponsor of Armstrong's teams, and was involved in nasty breach-of-contract litigation with LeMond in 2008 until early this year. LeMond's subpoena orders him to produce documents related to that lawsuit."
Lemond has more inside information about this than he has ever spoken about in public. Due to damaging his own relationship with Trek. In fact, he was court ordered not to talk about such things in a lawsuit by Trek.
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