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    because up until now, Floyd was the definition of credible...

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    Landis has no credibility whatsoever. But if he act as the catalyst that brings in the Feds, the whole pro code of silence about this crap will crumble like a stale Oreo. There will be so many former team mates and employees implicating Lance and Bruneeyl that the truth will finally be exposed in my view.

    What good will that do for cycling? None. It will be a negative all the way around. It will deep six Livestrong too.

    I'm trying to see the point, but it eludes me completely. The battle against doping in today's pro ranks won't be made easier by dragging skeletons out of ten year old closets or burning Lance and Johann at the stake. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post
    Floyd's denial of doping wasn't to protect himself, it was to protect the TEAM and by extension Lance Armstrong.

    You knew this already. He did what he thought was expected of him but in the end it got too much for his conscience.

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    Too much for his conscience. Apparently his breaking point wasn't when he lied to gather millions of dollars from public donations to finance his legal defense. His breaking point was when Radioshack wouldn't let him ride the stupid Tour of California with them this year. That's when the accusations came out. Conscience. Yah right.

    Again, I believe most of what he says. He's still a slimeball.

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    That explains why one of my drug dealer clients had a USPostal painted Trek 5.9SSL in the inventory of seized items when he was raided by the ATF two years ago. And here I just thought that he stole it. Maybe I should file a motion and ask FL to sign an affidavit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Landis has no credibility whatsoever. But if he act as the catalyst that brings in the Feds, the whole pro code of silence about this crap will crumble like a stale Oreo. There will be so many former team mates and employees implicating Lance and Bruneeyl that the truth will finally be exposed in my view.

    What good will that do for cycling? None. It will be a negative all the way around. It will deep six Livestrong too.

    I'm trying to see the point, but it eludes me completely. The battle against doping in today's pro ranks won't be made easier by dragging skeletons out of ten year old closets or burning Lance and Johann at the stake. Sorry.
    You just said it was negative all the way around. I'd love to never have to see another of those yellow bracelets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_F View Post
    Hey, Floyd said he didn't dope. He wrote a book about it. He's clearly lying about doping now. And I can only assume he's lying about this too. I think they probably simply lost the bikes in the mail and, given their sponsor, were too embarrassed to go public about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post
    Floyd's denial of doping wasn't JUST to protect himself, it was to protect the TEAM and by extension Lance Armstrong.

    You knew this already. He did what he thought was expected of him but in the end it got too much for his conscience.

    Anthony
    OK, I'm editing this to say that he wasn't JUST protecting himself but also the team and by extension LA.

    There is HUGE group pressure in situations like this to NOT fall on ones sword and admit to ANYTHING. As soon as you do fall on your own sword, for whatever reason, and admit to something you become a pariah. This is the way of the world and this is what happened.

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    well........maybe Trek didn't supply all 120 bikes at once. There would be little need to and doing so would prevent them from supplying updated models later in the year.

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    Maybe I'm crazy but I would think they wouldn't need to sell bikes to pay for doping. If they wanted to dope they could find a less obvious way to get the cash, what do I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Landis has no credibility whatsoever. But if he act as the catalyst that brings in the Feds, the whole pro code of silence about this crap will crumble like a stale Oreo. There will be so many former team mates and employees implicating Lance and Bruneeyl that the truth will finally be exposed in my view.

    What good will that do for cycling? None. It will be a negative all the way around. It will deep six Livestrong too.

    I'm trying to see the point, but it eludes me completely. The battle against doping in today's pro ranks won't be made easier by dragging skeletons out of ten year old closets or burning Lance and Johann at the stake. Sorry.
    There is no point to and of this I think some people just have a hard on for taking LA down guilty or not…. The Feds are still pissed they could not touch Barry Bonds so they have Stool Pigeon Landis to help them go after something new … throwing **** at walls and praying something will stick…. Err something like that.
    In some cases whatever the outcome is if a spec of this comes to light as being true and all this crap gets dragged out to long, this could kill some of the cycling market in the US. A lot of people will not admit it but LA and Crew from his Postal Team to Current RS Team has help stimulate US bike sales and increased interest in Pro cycling and just cycling in general.
    damn not sure if any of that just made sense...

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    Landis doesn't have much credibility, however I tend to believe him here. Maybe not all of it, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that there was systematic doping in the pro ranks. If true and it all comes out, then ultimately it could be good for cycling. There will be renewed interest in getting the sport clean and in 5 or 10 years, it may end up being so.

    On the other hand, it will cause a tremendous amount of destruction. Sponsors will flee leaving teams out flapping in the wind. A lot of good causes will be hit with very bad publicity and end up folding. There will be a lot of people left without work. It will be very ugly.

    All to salve the conscious of 1 person. Very selfish of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
    You just said it was negative all the way around. I'd love to never have to see another of those yellow bracelets.
    I wonder how you'll feel about Livestrong after cancer devastates your life in some way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoelS View Post
    All to salve the conscious of 1 person. Very selfish of him.
    NO, this is incorrect.

    In fact you have made the devil's pitch.

    "Sure, we may have cheated but your being selfish in admitting to it because of all the good causes that will be harmed when you do".

    This is how the devil rules our world. This may seem like a trivial example to you but the devil is ingrained deeply in humanity.

    The other way of looking at it is that if no one had cheated in the first place then the cheaters wouldn't have brought the world down on our heads when it was finally exposed.

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    True **** p

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    Interesting that this comes out right before the TdF. Landis sounds like a dipshyt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post
    NO, this is incorrect.

    In fact you have made the devil's pitch.

    "Sure, we may have cheated but your being selfish in admitting to it because of all the good causes that will be harmed when you do".

    This is how the devil rules our world. This may seem like a trivial example to you but the devil is ingrained deeply in humanity.

    The other way of looking at it is that if no one had cheated in the first place then the cheaters wouldn't have brought the world down on our heads when it was finally exposed.

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    Aye, you're right. What a mess it is. Hopefully the truth will come out, whatever that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Landis has no credibility whatsoever. But if he act as the catalyst that brings in the Feds, the whole pro code of silence about this crap will crumble like a stale Oreo. There will be so many former team mates and employees implicating Lance and Bruneeyl that the truth will finally be exposed in my view.

    What good will that do for cycling? None. It will be a negative all the way around. It will deep six Livestrong too.

    I'm trying to see the point, but it eludes me completely. The battle against doping in today's pro ranks won't be made easier by dragging skeletons out of ten year old closets or burning Lance and Johann at the stake. Sorry.
    No good will come of it, but today's media thrives on this crap and their are no shortage of people that love to see superstars knocked on their ass. I'm interested to see how much of this becomes mainstream while the tour is under way. It would be particularly painful to watch Livestrong suffer the fallout if any of this stuff is proven. I'm not sure how much control landis has over the timing of these stories, but someone is certainly being selective about when this stuff runs.

    I would like to believe Lance never doped, but I think too much points the other way (even without landis). I don't think much less of the guy because of it, I really believe it was a key part of the sport (and may still be). The only way you'll keep young pro athletes from doing this crap when big $'s and glory are on the line is to improve the testing and increase the penalties IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    I wonder how you'll feel about Livestrong after cancer devastates your life in some way?
    That's the same flawed argument I made. I hope the truth comes out, whatever it is. Then it can be dealt with in the open.

    If pro cycling can survive the mess, it'll be better off for it. If it doesn't, there will be another league and racing will continue on.
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    I am fully with pcad on that last post.

    On topic now. I think landis is full of ****. Like someone pointed out, he started his accusations up after radio shack didn't let him ride with the team in ToC. I personally feel he is doing this all for some sort of twisted revenge on lance. Not to sure what that revenge is though. I don't see how a man that was tested up to three times a day during the Tour and random testing all year could dope and NOT get caught. Someone correct me if i am wrong on some of that though. Nicely please.

    By the way its gonna be a blast when this hits the mainstream and all of our noncycling friends think they know everything there is to know about the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post
    OK, I'm editing this to say that he wasn't JUST protecting himself but also the team and by extension LA.

    There is HUGE group pressure in situations like this to NOT fall on ones sword and admit to ANYTHING. As soon as you do fall on your own sword, for whatever reason, and admit to something you become a pariah. This is the way of the world and this is what happened.

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    How do you know there is huge pressure in situations like these, were you in this situation before? So Floyd made up all that BS in his book and started the whole Floyd Fairness Fund to protect himself AND Armstrong??? That is where Floyd went wrong, it's one thing to deny, but he went out of his way to deceive a lot of people and steal money from them. That is why I think Floyd is a filthy piece of *****.

    I believe LA doped and I don't really care. All Floyd is doing now is creating a circus and making himself look like the biggest clown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WCroadie View Post
    How do you know there is huge pressure in situations like these, were you in this situation before?
    How do I know?

    Its the human condition. I didn't need to be there. I just needed to know myself.

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    You guys are too distracted by the doping, bike-selling on the Internet, strippers and cocaine. You missed the real scandal:

    Quote Originally Posted by BengeBoy View Post
    From tomorrow's Wall Street Journal (online now):

    "In March 2004, during an eight-day race from Paris to Nice, Mr. Landis said he was in position to win the sixth stage when his bike frame snapped. He blamed the mishap on the bike's carbon frame, which, he said, had been weakened by wear and tear.

    What we need to know is whether Trek honored the warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BengeBoy View Post
    You guys are too distracted by the doping, bike-selling on the Internet, strippers and cocaine. You missed the real scandal:




    What we need to know is whether Trek honored the warranty.
    "We're sorry, but it looks like you abused the frame, we can't cover that"
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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    I wonder how you'll feel about Livestrong after cancer devastates your life in some way?
    Let's see... lost my grandfather and great-uncle to colon cancer, my ex had uterine cancer (at 25!), and I fully expect to fall to it one day if nothing else gets me first. I still believe Livestrong! is a yellow turd of a brand sold to attention *****s so they can claim they got it "because they really care".

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    K now i take back my agreeing with pcad part. Sorry to hear that Bah Humbug.

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