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    Floyd: US Postal sold bikes to pay for doping - WSJ story

    From tomorrow's Wall Street Journal (online now):

    "In March 2004, during an eight-day race from Paris to Nice, Mr. Landis said he was in position to win the sixth stage when his bike frame snapped. He blamed the mishap on the bike's carbon frame, which, he said, had been weakened by wear and tear.

    After the race, Mr. Landis recalled, he found Johan Bruyneel, the director of the U.S. Postal Service team, and told him he needed a brand-new bike. According to Mr. Landis, Mr. Bruyneel told him the team didn't have enough equipment to allow every rider to always have new bikes.

    Mr. Landis said he didn't believe Mr. Bruyneel. Some time after the race, he said, he placed a call to Scott Daubert, a representative from the team's official frame maker, Trek Bicycle Corp., and also to Wayne Stetina of the component manufacturer Shimano Inc., which supplied the team with things like pedals.

    In those conversations, Mr. Landis said, he learned the team was given enough frames and components to make about 120 bikes a year. After doing some rough calculations, he said, he determined the team was missing about 60 bikes.

    A few weeks later, Mr. Landis said, he had dinner with Bart Knaggs of Capital Sports & Entertainment, the company that acts as an agent for lead U.S. Postal rider Lance Armstrong; Geert Duffeleer, the team's cook and a personal assistant to Mr. Bruyneel; and at least two other riders.

    At the dinner, Mr. Landis said, he told the group he had talked to the sponsors and believed at least 60 bikes were unaccounted for.

    The next day, Mr. Landis said, he got a phone call from Mr. Bruyneel, who was angry that Mr. Landis had contacted the sponsors. According to Mr. Landis, Mr. Bruyneel told him that the money raised from equipment sales helped pay for doping. "


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    I wish he would just stfu. No one caaarrrreeeessss FLOYD!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktanner777 View Post
    I wish he would just stfu. No one caaarrrreeeessss FLOYD!
    +1
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    I hope this doesn't turn into a Holier than Thou thread.

    I mean, who hasn't traded a bike for dope at some point in their life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktanner777 View Post
    I wish he would just stfu. No one caaarrrreeeessss FLOYD!
    You may not care. But a lot of people do. Hence, WSJ is carrying the story. BTW, he couldn't make this sh*t up if he tried.
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    I have nothing against the USPS team or Lance Armstrong, but Landis telling all...


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    Quote Originally Posted by learnmedia View Post
    You may not care. But a lot of people do. Hence, WSJ is carrying the story. BTW, he couldn't make this sh*t up if he tried.
    Why not? Maybe they did sell the bikes, but maybe it was for hookers?
    Why did you highlight my white text?

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    Hey, Floyd said he didn't dope. He wrote a book about it. He's clearly lying about doping now. And I can only assume he's lying about this too. I think they probably simply lost the bikes in the mail and, given their sponsor, were too embarrassed to go public about it.

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    So now, if we see Lance selling his radio on Craigs, we know why.....
    Why did you highlight my white text?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulex View Post
    Why not? Maybe they did sell the bikes, but maybe it was for hookers?
    ive never been with a hooker.....wait what are we talking about here....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulex View Post
    Why not? Maybe they did sell the bikes, but maybe it was for hookers?
    Well, hookers and/or dope seems reasonable;
    At least the money wasn't wasted.

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    Hahah. I'm trying to picture Lance snorting coke and watching strippers while hooked up to an IV of his own blood in a hotel room.

    Anyways, I believe about 75% of what Floyd says, which is enough. He still comes off as a sniveling little punk though, out for revenge after he didn't get whatever it is he thinks he deserves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
    Well, hookers and/or dope seems reasonable;
    At least the money wasn't wasted.
    Have you seen the rest of the article? Floyd does talk about strippers and cocaine at their parties!

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    Also from the WSJ:

    "Later that night, some of the cyclists drove downtown to the offices of the agency that represents Mr. Armstrong. There, the party accelerated, according to Mr. Landis. Four strippers arrived at the offices with two bouncers and began performing a private show for the cyclists and others, he said. Mr. Landis and another young rider who attended, Walker Ferguson, said some people were snorting what appeared to be cocaine."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktanner777 View Post
    I wish he would just stfu. No one caaarrrreeeessss FLOYD!
    Speak for yourself. Some of us do.

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    Told ya.
    Why did you highlight my white text?

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    Also from story,

    "Robert Burns, Trek's general counsel, said in an interview that the company was aware that bikes meant for U.S. Postal riders were being sold, but said it didn't know what the money was used for. "Occasionally, you'd see a bike on the Internet somewhere where it would surprise us," he said. "We didn't want to see that stuff getting sold on the market. It should be going to a better use than that." He declined to comment about whether Trek had been contacted by investigators."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BengeBoy View Post
    Also from the WSJ:

    "Later that night, some of the cyclists drove downtown to the offices of the agency that represents Mr. Armstrong. There, the party accelerated, according to Mr. Landis. Four strippers arrived at the offices with two bouncers and began performing a private show for the cyclists and others, he said. Mr. Landis and another young rider who attended, Walker Ferguson, said some people were snorting what appeared to be cocaine."
    Boonen must have taught them how to party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BengeBoy View Post
    said some people were snorting what appeared to be cocaine."
    J. Bruneeyl says that if it's good enough for T. Boonen, it's good enough for my boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quel View Post
    Boonen must have taught them how to party.
    Brilliant minds are always on the same serpentine track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BengeBoy View Post
    Also from story,

    "Robert Burns, Trek's general counsel, said in an interview that the company was aware that bikes meant for U.S. Postal riders were being sold, but said it didn't know what the money was used for. "Occasionally, you'd see a bike on the Internet somewhere where it would surprise us," he said. "We didn't want to see that stuff getting sold on the market. It should be going to a better use than that." He declined to comment about whether Trek had been contacted by investigators."
    Sounds pretty serious. But at the same time, it avoids the possibility of them getting called in by Congress for using federal funds to buy drugs. They just financed it off the back of their bike sponsor instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learnmedia View Post
    BTW, he couldn't make this sh*t up if he tried.
    Uh huh.

    On the other hand, he made up his whole book protesting his innocence. So it's not like he doesn't have a lot of practice cooking up good stories for the press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_F View Post
    Hey, Floyd said he didn't dope. He wrote a book about it. He's clearly lying about doping now. And I can only assume he's lying about this too. I think they probably simply lost the bikes in the mail and, given their sponsor, were too embarrassed to go public about it.
    Floyd's denial of doping wasn't to protect himself, it was to protect the TEAM and by extension Lance Armstrong.

    You knew this already. He did what he thought was expected of him but in the end it got too much for his conscience.

    Anthony

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    Quote Originally Posted by BengeBoy View Post
    In those conversations, Mr. Landis said, he learned the team was given enough frames and components to make about 120 bikes a year. After doing some rough calculations, he said, he determined the team was missing about 60 bikes.
    Here's the problem. Pro Cyclist + Math = Disaster
    The best part of being a mad scientist is never having to ask yourself, "Should I really be doing this?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post
    Floyd's denial of doping wasn't to protect himself, it was to protect the TEAM and by extension Lance Armstrong.
    Uh huh.

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