View Poll Results: Stage 15 Poll: Should Contador have waited for Schleck?
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07-19-10, 10:08 AM
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07-19-10, 10:11 AM
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Yes, I think he should have waited.
In the big picture it doesn't make much difference, but what really tips the scale for me is, that he took the yellow jersey today thanks to the incident. That's just unworthy imo.
In the big picture it doesn't make much difference, but what really tips the scale for me is, that he took the yellow jersey today thanks to the incident. That's just unworthy imo.
07-19-10, 10:36 AM
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I voted 'yes' but assumed that meant "not attacked while AS was fixing his chain".
07-19-10, 11:02 AM
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07-19-10, 11:37 AM
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Contador is not among my favorite riders, but I don't think he had any choice and was justified in driving ahead. It might be different if it were just himself and Schleck out away from the rest, but Contador was in a group with dangerous third and fourth place riders and also, Contador couldn't have known Schleck's exact problem (suppose he waited for Schleck over a broken chain and lost a minute or more. and then would have been expected to resume the battle with Schleck up and down the rest of the stage). Contador had a 'no win' decision and he made the correct call.
07-19-10, 11:51 AM
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I voted no because I of the word "should" in the question. It would have been classy, but he was under no obligation to wait.
07-19-10, 12:03 PM
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I think Andy has used up his quota of sportsmanship/mercy in this tour after Cancellara slowed the entire peloton so that he could catch up. Repeatedly expecting the peloton to ease up for his misfortunes is a bit much.
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07-19-10, 12:14 PM
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"I voted no because I of the word "should" in the question. It would have been classy, but he was under no obligation to wait."
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It's a race and one takes advantage of another's misfortune. It would have been a sign of extraordinary good sportsmanship had AC slowed and with AS having a 40 second, or so advantage at that time I can understand why he didn't.
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It's a race and one takes advantage of another's misfortune. It would have been a sign of extraordinary good sportsmanship had AC slowed and with AS having a 40 second, or so advantage at that time I can understand why he didn't.
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07-19-10, 12:19 PM
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Tour is a team race. Suppose Contador made it all about himself and waited to Schleck. How would Astana's post race team meeting have gone given that Astana worked their asses off and beat Saxo up the mountain (if Saxo had a bike to give to Schleck then we wouldn't be discussing this.. but they didn't and Astana did because they won the mountain) and in the team meeting Contador explains that he thought it was 'right' to wait on Schleck. If I was an Astana team member I would say that it will be 'right' for you -Contador- to ride the rest of the tour without our help. Vote no.
07-19-10, 12:30 PM
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Tour is a team race. Suppose Contador made it all about himself and waited to Schleck. How would Astana's post race team meeting have gone given that Astana worked their asses off and beat Saxo up the mountain (if Saxo had a bike to give to Schleck then we wouldn't be discussing this.. but they didn't and Astana did because they won the mountain) and in the team meeting Contador explains that he thought it was 'right' to wait on Schleck. If I was an Astana team member I would say that it will be 'right' for you -Contador- to ride the rest of the tour without our help. Vote no.
07-19-10, 12:33 PM
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Tour is a team race. Suppose Contador made it all about himself and waited to Schleck. How would Astana's post race team meeting have gone given that Astana worked their asses off and beat Saxo up the mountain (if Saxo had a bike to give to Schleck then we wouldn't be discussing this.. but they didn't and Astana did because they won the mountain) and in the team meeting Contador explains that he thought it was 'right' to wait on Schleck. If I was an Astana team member I would say that it will be 'right' for you -Contador- to ride the rest of the tour without our help. Vote no.
chain slip that Saxo would have won the mountain after the attack by Andy which only Vino could cover.
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07-19-10, 12:39 PM
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07-19-10, 12:41 PM
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Contador was flying out of the back when the chain slipped. I don't think it was a foregone conclusion that Andy was taking the summit.
07-19-10, 12:47 PM
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Riis: "I don’t know. Was it possible for Contador to wait in that situation, with [Samuel] Sanchez [Euskaltel] and [Denis] Menchov [Rabobank] attacking? He has to follow those guys, for sure. He might not need to pull [with them] or attack, but he has to follow those guys."
07-19-10, 01:26 PM
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Just curious...how many times this year should everyone in the race wait for AS? Because it's already happened once.
I really like the guy and think that Contador is a diva, but seriously. If you want people waiting while your junk's broken, then introduce pace cars to bike racing like in auto racing.
I really like the guy and think that Contador is a diva, but seriously. If you want people waiting while your junk's broken, then introduce pace cars to bike racing like in auto racing.
07-19-10, 01:35 PM
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No.
AS had the field wait for him on 2.
AS didnt wait for AC got stuck behind a crash on 3 in the cobbles.
Im not sold when AC knew AS had a mechanical.
The trio gained most of their time on the descent anyways....although no question AS would have stuck with them had he gotten a wheel.
AS had the field wait for him on 2.
AS didnt wait for AC got stuck behind a crash on 3 in the cobbles.
Im not sold when AC knew AS had a mechanical.
The trio gained most of their time on the descent anyways....although no question AS would have stuck with them had he gotten a wheel.
07-19-10, 01:38 PM
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I think that Cancellara should have stolen a moto, forged on up ahead and
neutralized the entire stage after Voekler got his win, and resume racing when
Frank is back on course.
neutralized the entire stage after Voekler got his win, and resume racing when
Frank is back on course.
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07-19-10, 01:49 PM
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that would work but it'd be really obvious with the bike continuing to climb with the chain shifted off the rings.
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