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Old 07-22-10, 08:37 AM   #1
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Is Levi Leipheimer Mr. Softie?

Have to say, every Leipheimer interview I've watched the guy seems so defeated. I had high hopes for him to make the podium, but to hear him speak in advance of the various mountain stages, you'd think he'd given up back at the Prologue. He responds to questions with this Mr. Softie attitude: it's a tough climb, I don't know if I can hang, we'll see. Just doesn't seem to have that killer instinct. Too nice a guy, I guess.
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Have to say, every Leipheimer interview I've watched the guy seems so defeated. I had high hopes for him to make the podium, but to hear him speak in advance of the various mountain stages, you'd think he'd given up back at the Prologue. He responds to questions with this Mr. Softie attitude: it's a tough climb, I don't know if I can hang, we'll see. Just doesn't seem to have that killer instinct. Too nice a guy, I guess.

Based on what? The guy peaked for and lost the TOC, and wasn't even considered to be the strongest guy on his team. Third on the depth chart.
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I think Levi is the best interview after every stage - he's able to verbalize a lot of insight the other riders can't or don't.
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Softie, I don't think so. More like an Energizer bunny .... he just keeps going and going. He knows his limits, he knows how to push himself without blowing up. He knows what others are capable of. He takes the opportunities as they come, but makes no promises.

Killer instinct huh ...... yeah ..... that's a figment of imagination. Either you have the legs or you don't. Talk is cheap.
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He's not too bad for being "third on the depth chart". Too bad they didn't support him from the start. It was evident in the spring that Armstrong just didn't have the hunger this year.

That's not to say he would've won it though. Cycling certainly IS a mental game. Sure you have to have the tools - "the legs" - but it's still metal. Levi just doesn't have that hard edge - if he did he'd have never have signed back up with Astana and The Shack, who were promising him a secondary role. He's deservedly been a team leader in the past and if he had the edge to win Grand Tours, he would have demanded a leading role with whomever he went with after Discovery. He still deserves to be the team leader and indeed he now is at Radio Shack, but that's not what he was promised when he signed on. Perhaps he was promised the lead role next year, I don't know, but the last couple of years he's known when he signed the contract that he was not going to be the leader at the Grand Tours.

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Have to say, every Leipheimer interview I've watched the guy seems so defeated. I had high hopes for him to make the podium, but to hear him speak in advance of the various mountain stages, you'd think he'd given up back at the Prologue. He responds to questions with this Mr. Softie attitude: it's a tough climb, I don't know if I can hang, we'll see. Just doesn't seem to have that killer instinct. Too nice a guy, I guess.
I don't know about that. I see a guy who knows he isn't getting/going to get any support from his team.
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Have to say, every Leipheimer interview I've watched the guy seems so defeated. I had high hopes for him to make the podium, but to hear him speak in advance of the various mountain stages, you'd think he'd given up back at the Prologue. He responds to questions with this Mr. Softie attitude: it's a tough climb, I don't know if I can hang, we'll see. Just doesn't seem to have that killer instinct. Too nice a guy, I guess.
No.

He's just not delusional in thinking that he has a remote chance of winning the TdF (*cough, unlike some other people, cough*). He's still a good rider. He knows his place.

I actually like his and Horner's post-race commentary--they tell it like it was.
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Would you like him more if he were less honest in his interviews? Almost all (every?) TDF racer is hurting and has questions about how well he can perform on the rest of the race. I find his interviews educational.
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Levi is a guy determined to do well, and he trains harder than anyone else on the team. The problem is he doesn't have the natural skill or talent that these riders he's against have. He's getting old and loves what he does, but has gotten to the point that he realizes that he just isn't up to the challenge these days. It's unfortunate because I'm a huge fan, and hope he will stay around a few more years and improve on his PR.
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I think Levi is the best interview after every stage - he's able to verbalize a lot of insight the other riders can't or don't.
+1. He definitely likes to hear his own voice, but who doesn't (especially those of us that post here)? He's going to be a great commentator some day.
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He's just like Hincapie - a good rider within the confines of the US. But average at best against the top riders of the rest of the world. The English-speaking media is forced to hype him because he's a top American rider. Unfortunate for him because he isn't able to live up to the hype. That's gotta be a lot of pressure.

In 25 years, he'll be one of thousands of forgotten racers unless he becomes a cycling commentator. Even then, most people will not know that he was a successful bike rider. Just look at Phil Sherwin, I didn't know he was a former racer until they showed a picture of him riding the TdF.
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He's just like Hincapie - a good rider within the confines of the US. But average at best against the top riders of the rest of the world. The English-speaking media is forced to hype him because he's a top American rider. Unfortunate for him because he isn't able to live up to the hype. That's gotta be a lot of pressure.

In 25 years, he'll be one of thousands of forgotten racers unless he becomes a cycling commentator. Even then, most people will not know that he was a successful bike rider. Just look at Phil Sherwin, I didn't know he was a former racer until they showed a picture of him riding the TdF.
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Haha, that's funny. I didn't realize I goofed that up. I guess that proves my point. Phil Sherwen hahahaha!

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+1. He definitely likes to hear his own voice, but who doesn't (especially those of us that post here)? He's going to be a great commentator some day.
As soon as Levi retires, Versus can fire Frankie!
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He's just like Hincapie - a good rider within the confines of the US. But average at best against the top riders of the rest of the world. The English-speaking media is forced to hype him because he's a top American rider. Unfortunate for him because he isn't able to live up to the hype. That's gotta be a lot of pressure.
I was going to opine in this thread thatthe expectations for Leipheimer were unfairly too high, leading toe sense of dissapointment expressed by the OP.

But I think you've gone the oppossite direction. You don't finish on the TDF podium, and have 4 top ten TDF finishes by being "average at best"
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Levi is a very good rider. Just not a great one that is able to get over the top and win a grand tour. Many riders fall into that category (Wiggins, Rogers, VDV, Evans, etc.) They're good enough to possibly podium and generally round out the top ten, but never really a significant threat to win. GC winners are great climbers (great as in can drop guys like Wiggins, Rogers, VDV, Evans, etc.) and at least very good time trial riders. (note Andy Schleck's deficiency) Levi, and those others noted get blasted, for not winning by they are generally over hyped in the first place. Levi is just realistic. He tried to win the TOC and didn't. He wasn't even designated as the number one rider on his team. Is there shame in saying that you can't climb with the likes of Contador and Schleck?
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But average at best against the top riders of the rest of the world.

Average? At best? You need to go back and check on that again or else you're definition of average is a lot different than Webster's.
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Have to say, every Leipheimer interview I've watched the guy seems so defeated. I had high hopes for him to make the podium, but to hear him speak in advance of the various mountain stages, you'd think he'd given up back at the Prologue. He responds to questions with this Mr. Softie attitude: it's a tough climb, I don't know if I can hang, we'll see. Just doesn't seem to have that killer instinct. Too nice a guy, I guess.
He may be average for a top pro, but you're likley sub-par even for an average joe. Am I right? Only you can answer that. Be honest with yourself because nobody else GARA.

Nothing wrong with Levi's interviews. He's accurate.
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Is it me or does Levi look like he's deathly afraid of Bob Roll when sitting next to him in the Road ID commercials? It looks like Levi thinks Bob is about to go nuts and attack him, or possibly did right before the cameras were turned on.

Probably just me.
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Seriously? Next time you ride 3600km, climb the Alps then the Pyrenees all while chasing the two best riders in the world let us know if you still think he's soft. My guess is any of us would be a puddle of goo afterwards.
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