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    The Ugly American Goes to France: It's all about Lance.

    Lance is an ass.

    Okay, I said it. What kind of jerkwad holds up the entire Tour de France and/or risks disqualification of the team in order to promote a cause (ANY cause)? What cause will hold up the Tour next year when Lance isn't there?

    This has been a sad couple of years for me. Back during Lance's prime, I was a huge fan. I drank the KoolAid. These last two years have seen repeated excesses and exercises in self-worship for LA. I'm sour on the guy. The ugly American goes to France.

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    he is just the public figurehead of a huge group of organizations. don't blame him personally. also he had no intention of holding up the race. the tour held up the race - who the f cares what color he wears on the last day. but yeah - kinda weird they had to change the color to have the 28. some marketing jerkwad came up with that I'm sure. they should just have had red jerseys with the 28 ... duh
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    Yeah, how dare they bring attention to a good cause.... What's next? Pink bats on mother's day in the MLB to raise awareness for breast cancer? Oh, wait....
    Meh.

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    Considering a large factor of some riders getting in a breakaway is to get tv time for their sponsors, I don't see this publicity stunt as being totally out of character with the race. I thought he was being a bit of a spoiled brat when he took his time changing after they told him to though. His team complied but Lance had to be told by the race refs to put on the red jersey and then told to put on proper numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Somnifac View Post
    Yeah, how dare they bring attention to a good cause.... What's next? Pink bats on mother's day in the MLB to raise awareness for breast cancer? Oh, wait....
    +1
    I couldn't care less if any famous athlete did a similar stunt for this kind of public awareness cause.
    If you can use your fame and situation for something like this I don't think there is a problem.

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    First, folks, there is a rule that Radio Shack was well aware of. (They asked.) If you don't suit up in your approved kit, you are not allowed to start the stage. The promoters were kind and made a clear exception to the rules in allowing Radio Shack to start.

    Second, Lance makes a fool of himself with his demonstration after he is told at least three times (shown on camera) that the stunt is over and it's time to put on the approved kit and numbers.

    Third, will you folks feel the same way if next year's cause is "Basque Separatism" (a repeated TdF cause) or "Stop MTB's in Parkland" or "Vote for D'estange"? Once you've made an exception, where do the exceptions stop? Is it only about Lance and HIS cause? What about all the other causes represented in the peloton? What if six teams held up the TdF while they each made their various demonstrations?

    Lance, you get enough face time without pulling the rightful attention away from the guys in the jerseys. Your day has passed. It's THEIR day now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashBazbo View Post
    Lance is an ass.

    Okay, I said it. What kind of jerkwad holds up the entire Tour de France and/or risks disqualification of the team in order to promote a cause (ANY cause)? What cause will hold up the Tour next year when Lance isn't there?

    This has been a sad couple of years for me. Back during Lance's prime, I was a huge fan. I drank the KoolAid. These last two years have seen repeated excesses and exercises in self-worship for LA. I'm sour on the guy. The ugly American goes to France.
    It's funny, I came out here yesterday knowing for sure that there would be someone on this board that would have to bring this up. I am really surprised it took until today.

    And Lance does not care what you think of him.

    Hold up the whole race...LMAO...they were riding about as fast as my 78 year old mother on her hybrid.

    Tell you what...when you hold a loved one's head while they vomit over and over while on chemo, you tell me if ANY effort to help out is not worth it.

    I KNEW someone would not be able to help themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post

    Tell you what...when you hold a loved one's head while they vomit over and over while on chemo, you tell me if ANY effort to help out is not worth it.

    I KNEW someone would not be able to help themselves.
    I'll telll YOU what. When you hold not just one loved one's but three loved one's heads when they die of cancer -- and when you've held the hands of a few dozen people who are going through the same thing until you see their lives leave their bodies, you can criticize me. I've been there. Until then, you need to get a clue.

    There is a time and place for everything. This wasn't the time or the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashBazbo View Post
    First, folks, there is a rule that Radio Shack was well aware of. (They asked.) If you don't suit up in your approved kit, you are not allowed to start the stage. The promoters were kind and made a clear exception to the rules in allowing Radio Shack to start.
    BFD.

    Second, FlashBazbo makes a fool of himself with his demonstration of whining after he posted this.
    Fixed



    FlashBazbo, you get enough face time without pulling the rightful attention away from the guys in the BF. Your day has passed. It's THEIR day now.
    Fixed again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashBazbo View Post
    I'll telll YOU what. When you hold not just one loved one's but three loved one's heads when they die of cancer -- and when you've held the hands of a few dozen people who are going through the same thing until you see their lives leave their bodies, you can criticize me. I've been there. Until then, you need to get a clue.

    There is a time and place for everything. This wasn't the time or the place.
    Calm down mate. The TDF is one of the most watched sporting events on the planet so bringing the issue of cancer to the forefront here is a great idea. I couldn't care less if Lance were to get some personal glory out of it. Accusing him of such is just a useless waste of energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashBazbo View Post
    I'll telll YOU what. When you hold not just one loved one's but three loved one's heads when they die of cancer -- and when you've held the hands of a few dozen people who are going through the same thing until you see their lives leave their bodies, you can criticize me. I've been there. Until then, you need to get a clue.

    There is a time and place for everything. This wasn't the time or the place.
    Two cousins, one 38, the other 46 leaving five children behind. Their sister is now undergoing chemo for the fifth time. Her daughter, age 28 went and had her ovaries and both breasts removed as her tumor markers were so high they recommended she do that so she had a shot at seeing 40 years old.

    Mother in law. Father in law. Uncle. Aunt. Father is, for now anyway, a survivor.

    And you are incorrect.

    Just because a highly successful athlete who also happens to be a survivor uses that as a method of bringing awareness is no reason to go off the deep end.

    I knew that someone would start this. Knew it. Why do you care?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
    I knew that someone would start this. Knew it. Why do you care?
    Because some people can't help but get their knickers in a twist.

    As for "what's next?"... Why is there always a "what's next?"? You can take almost any situation and degrade it with hypothetical situations. It's not like someone was out there riding with a jersey that said "W.A.R." and had the number 88 on it. Use some common sense here...
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
    he is just the public figurehead of a huge group of organizations. don't blame him personally. also he had no intention of holding up the race...
    He knew what would happen. It was all pretty well calculated.
    The search for inner peace continues...

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    So attention was brought to a great cause and some people had to wait 15 minutes to ride their bikes and other people had to wait 15 minutes to watch people ride their bikes. Oh dear god, how dare him!!!

    Honestly, aren't their bigger problems in this world to worry about than Lance trying to bring extra attention to the fight against cancer?
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    is there really anybody left of the planet who is unaware of cancer?
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    ...and by the way, my mom wants her snowmobile back...

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    All I know is that the Livestrong clothing is at a great discount right now in the sporting goods stores... I don't mind having full LS workout gear when it's half price

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    I found the jersey thing that TRS did was a little silly and lacking respect on their part in regards to the rest of the peloton. They all know the rules about uniforms. Lance and all of TRS are not above them. I kinda felt like they were trying to steal the thunder from the other jersey winners by pulling that stunt.
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    so what if it's custom, are you suddenly NOT a jackass?

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    Go Lance and TRS, I liked it. When my wife and mother in law were in awe of that gesture, it sure makes it worth it. Now they finally realized that Livestrong is also a charitable arm of Lance. So I guess I'm saying STFU about it already.

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    Tour officials said the fine levied against the team would be donated to cancer resarch. Just thought I would throw that out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashBazbo View Post
    Lance, you get enough face time without pulling the rightful attention away from the guys in the jerseys. Your day has passed. It's THEIR day now.
    The TV broadcast will contain footage of whomever viewers want to see.

    In the US, viewers as a whole want to see Lance, and Versus wants to capture those viewers. They know without a shred of doubt that viewership will drop next year. It happened in 2006.

    That's it. There's really nothing else to argue about.
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    I'm not going to bother looking up refrences. But 15 minutes or even an hour delay does no tmake the top 10. Stages have been cancelled because of Farmers strikes. Stages have been nullified because of rider protests or memorials. The Lance fans who are true Lance fans (meaning they followed him before he was winning the TDF, or at least learned about his early pro years afterwards) will realize the memorial stage for Fabio Casartelli had a huge impact on that Tour as it was one of the mountian stages where there would have been time to gain and there was a climber vrs. TT aspect in that Tour.

    What would a Tour be without something like this?

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    Black jersey's on the podium: cool.

    Black jersey's before the stage start: mixed feeling. On the one hand, it accomplished what was planned. I'm convinced that they never had any intention of being able to ride the day in the black; the team knew exactly what would happen and that's why they did it. Even this thread is proof that it worked. TRS did win the team competition so one could argue that putting on a different jersey for the day was no different than the GC winner (or even just current GC leader) riding a yellow bike. On the other hand, the fact that I think the team was pretty sure there would be some delay or controversy lacks respect for the race.

    In some ways though, I think the best thing the TdF organizers could have done would be to just let them ride and not drawn extra attention to it.


    To roadwarrior and flashbazbo: Are you seriously bragging over which of you has watched over more people suffer and die from cancer? I sympathize with your pain and loss, but come on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashBazbo View Post
    Lance is an ass.
    You said it.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlashBazbo View Post
    What kind of jerkwad holds up the entire Tour de France and/or risks disqualification of the team in order to promote a cause (ANY cause)?
    An American jerkwad like Lance Armstrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlashBazbo View Post
    The ugly American goes to France.
    It's pretty clear what the cause of most "anti-American" sentiment is in the world: idiotic, teeth-grinding self-entitlement by Yanks in other countries. Lance takes the cake.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlashBazbo View Post
    Lance, you get enough face time without pulling the rightful attention away from the guys in the jerseys. Your day has passed. It's THEIR day now.
    This characterizes the situation precisely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Somnifac
    Yeah, how dare they bring attention to a good cause....
    What's "cancer" anyway? I never heard of it.
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    I seem to recall one Mario Cipollini wearing all sorts of 'unofficial' kit, (i.e. the musculature skinsuit) and getting fined for it, they didn't tell him he couldn't start. Hell Cipo got fined for riding with a sleeveless jersey and then for rolling up his sleeves.

    All in all I thought the whole issue was "meh". Livestrong got it's 15 minutes of air time and the race continued on.
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    As I have posted on another thread I am on the fence on this one.

    Pros
    It was moving to those who have had experienced a love one that either beat cancer or lost someone (most of us on here)
    It raised awareness

    Cons
    I still believe that individuals or teams should not be above the sanctioning bodies
    It was handled poorly before and after they were called out


    There are more pros and cons I am sure but I listed 2 for each that were top of mind. Rules are rules. The pink bat thing is not the same thingas the uniforms.

    In baseball, pink bats are limited-supply baseball bats manufactured by Louisville Slugger for use by select Major League Baseball players on Mother's Day, first introduced in 2006 in association with the Susan G. Komen for the Cure organization. Each year on Mother's Day, Major League Baseball authorizes the use of the specially dyed bats — temporarily suspending the regulation that restricts players to using black, brown, red, or white bats — as part of a weeklong program to benefit the Susan G. Komen for the Cure organization.

    The smart people at Team Radio Shack should have had the foresight to get the kit approved prior to the TDF ever happening. They were fined and the money goes to a good cause. In the future fines should keep increasing with disqualification becoming a permanent deterent. I am not upset with Team Radioshack. I think they could have handled it better after getting caught. We tried it, it was for a good cause, it is against the rules and we understand it, we feel it was for a good cause and we understand the tours position.....period.........Hopefully, when they sell the kits ALL of the money goes to cancer research......

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