Tulex

Works for me. Even without incentive, these people may feel they can compete with an edge. Who knows if Lance goes down, they are next in line. Or maybe Lance doped too. I think there is a deal with French government to nail him. Lance goes to jail, we get free fries.

JeffS

The money will be spent, whether it's on Armstrong or someone else.

Unless you're proposing that we close the department. While you've got Barack's ear, how about getting him to close all of our overseas military bases.

Walter

The government is not after Armstrong. I'd imagine they wished he wasn't connected at all. The government wants to know if money provided by the USPS was used to finance a doping regimen. Lance is just caught up in this because he was on the USPS team. If he had been on CSC or FDJeux or whatever the government would still be checking out allegations about USPS and most of us would be avidly following the news. It would be our own Operacion Puerto. Since it involves Armstrong the drama factor is through the roof but the government is not spending money to prove that he, as an individual, doped in races held in Europe.

It's not that hard.

Jesus Wept.

FogVilleLad

Love this one!

If Novitsky picks up on this, he could get the life long acclaim he craves;-)

ultraman6970

The social cost will be big that probably nothing it will happens, and because after LA they should start going after any american professional sports and i bet they will find any Stuff and way deeper than the LA stuff.

Voodoo76

Per Floyd

I mean it goes on and on, as I'm sure many of the posters on here are aware. To accept your speculation I have to either consider that all of this was made up (even though there are others who have told similar stories) or believe that this all took place right under the nose of an admitted control freak (LA) without his knowledge.

Back to the OP. There is a cost, however I think it is born by both sides. There was a time in this whole thing to cut a deal, minimize the peripheral damage. Hubris on both sides will likely prevent this now. So we have what we have, if Lance is innocent a big waste of time and money. If he is guilty a blow to an image that could have done great deal of good. It's a freakin mess.

RecceDG

That's the problem - "Floyd".

Floyd is a known liar - on an epic scale - with a serious axe to grind. Hell the man tried to blackmail his way into the ToC.

Anything Floyd says has to be treated as fiction.

DG

bellweatherman

You got it backwards. Armstrong has had his detractors and witnesses to his EPO doping long before Floyd came around.

• What about the Andreus? What is the excuse then? Are they liars? Cue up the Armstrong excuse for that one.
• What about Stephen Swart? Is he a liar? Make up another excuse for that one.
• How about Emma O'Reilly? Is she a liar too?
• Floyd? Now, you say he is lieing too?

Floyd doesn't exactly stand alone in his allegations, like you propose. This is just a small sample of the mountain of witnesses that are growing against Armstrong. The axe-to-grind excuse? Ha! Just an Armstrong spin/PR job.

Voodoo76

Agree Floyd is the problem. At some point all of em are gonna be under oath. Guess we will know who wants to put their fact or fiction on the line at that point. As it stands now there are gonna be a number of people perjuring themselves or making significant changes to their story.

What I was trying to point out was the incongruity between your plausible deniability idea and the time line laid out by one of the players in this.

1slowbastard

The US government doesn't sponsor any NFL or MLB players. They are paid by the teams which are private organizations.

1slowbastard

Pettitte didn't admit to anything until after he was outed. Even then he said he used it on two occasions in 2002. We have since learned that he also used it in 2004. He was probably using all along.

Hezz

It says in the article that Livestrong took in over 50 million in 2009 and doled out around 31 million in help. That leaves 19 million for salaries and operation expenses. Sounds as much like a money making scheme as a charitable organization. And I am sure that it is both.

The real cost of taking down Armstrong is not known. Even though his organization does a lot of good for some individuals and I applaud this. It also stinks of a opportunists PR dream. There is a huge amount of money being made on cancer and literally no one is talking about what the real probable causes are. And the statistics show that we are losing the battle with most kinds of cancer. So the agenda of "raising cancer awareness" is really just a shallow approach to the real problems. Most present treatments are not real cures at all but in most cases poisons that kill the cancer and the person along with it. As in most things the truth is not a big money making approach.

My concern is that the Livestrong machine represents a semi-phony war on cancer. And in the long term this is detrimental.

meb

[QUOTE=patentcad Personally, I'd like them see them investigate the NY Mets for taking PDD's (Performance Degrading Drugs). [/QUOTE]


Novitsky allready has- There were plural Mets players under subpoena in the Dr. Galea indictment.

Mets Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran have already been questioned in that case. Arod and Tiger Woods while not Mets, have already been questioned in the Galea case.

meb

Clemens had a foundation (reports his PEDs may have been paid for by his foundation). Any idea of the relative size of Clemens charitible foundations vs. Armstrongs?

meb

Floyd had a Mennonite background, not Amish.

meb

I thought the US Attorney in the Bonds case was based out of San Francisco.
The cycling subpeonas seems to be coming out of Los Angeles.
That's 2 different US Attorney's office should be different attorneys.

RecceDG

I don't know anything about those other people, nor am I really read in on their stories - both explicit and background.

Lance - as you so often demonstrate - is a polarizing figure, and it is plausible that those other people are also axe-grinders with less than charitable motives. It is also plausible that they are telling the truth. Not knowing anything about them, I cannot make an off-the-cuff asessment of probability.

But Floyd? Floyd is a known liar. And not just a casual, put-a-story-in-the-press, answer-a-few-questions-evasively liar, but the author of a ghost-written bit of fiction where he maintained his innocence and a fundraiser who saught donations to "prove" his innocence. Floyd goes WELL beyond just answering questions untruthfully, but is the author of willful deception programs and of blackmail schemes.

Anything Floyd says has zero value as information.

DG

Barese Rider

Well said. Over 50 bill in cancer research has got us nowhere.The battle is not only being lost were being overwhelmed. Those intersted should read the China Study and other like books and authors to find the real causes of most cancers. Finding tommorows next super drug aint the answer.

Unless a so called charity gives most of its money directly to cancer patients I stay away from donations.

bellweatherman

Your soapbox rant to discredit Floyd is specious. Floyd's statements have already been supported by numerous other people. Floyd's statements of recent are supported. Armstrong's are not.

The real liar, and known at that, is Lance Armstrong. Google is your friend. Type in a few searches with Armstrong's name and lies, EPO, etc.. To state that Armstrong could possibly be lying is to not even accept the truth. Armstrong lied about drug use. It's already documented. He's even produced a backdated TUE for corticosteroids after declaring no drug use in a pre-Tour physical. He lies continually to the media to gain public favor. He isn't and never was the most tested athlete in any year. 1999 EPO documented positive tests. Lied about that one too.

Trev Doyle

Add Mike Anderson to that list. Is he lying too?

surgeonstone

There you go again!

Voodoo76

He is (pick any two in combination):

1) Old
2) Bitter
3) Disgruntled Employee
4) Not Credible due to ...
5) Ax to grind due to ...
6) Selling a book
7) Confusing events
8) Regurgitating he said/she said information

I'm sure that there are some others missing.

Donegal

If you read the article posted by patentcad referring to the 31 million, it states that 31 million was paid directly on behalf of cancer patients. For those of you that have never run a business, it didn't say that they spent all of the other monies collected. No foundation, charity or organization spends every dollar it has. Quick to point fingers without the facts. I am sorry you are so bitter that you can't see the good that the Livestrong foundation has done for cancer victims and their families. I really don't care about the rest of this nonsense. I have a terminally ill brother (not cancer) and respect the time and effort that it takes to amass an undertaking of this size without any personal gain.

Due to the constant blatant hatred constantly dribbling from a few racer wanna-be's that consider themselves experts, I will probably find other ways to pass my time. I actually like the sport of cycling.

Cateye

So lets spend millions of US tax money to find out if LA doped or not 10 years ago. What's next.......more millions to figure out if body builders dope? This is so stupid.