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Old 08-21-10, 01:37 PM   #1
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The real cost of bringing down Armstrong

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Old 08-21-10, 01:48 PM   #2
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIl5RxhLZ5U

If I was Lance I'd use a line from Bob Knight..."When I die I want to be buried face down so you can all kiss my ass."

Feed the warrior.

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anybody who doped took money out of the pockets of those that didn't.
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anybody who doped took money out of the pockets of those that didn't.
Well that works, since virtually everybody in the pro peloton was doped in the Lance era.
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Well that works, since virtually everybody in the pro peloton was doped in the Lance era.
I just assumed he was talking about non-pro cyclists.
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Any way you look at this situation it's complicated. Armstrong's charitable works don't excuse any potential doping offenses of course, but it does mean the fallout from any case against him has a far more widespread impact than a case against an athlete like Bonds or Clemens. The Feds seem aware of this, and indeed, they really do want to make sure they have a slam dunk case against Mr. Armstrong for a number of reasons.
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Why does Floyd always look so dopey in his article accompanying pictures? He should send out some snazzy new headshots.
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Why does Floyd always look so dopey in his article accompanying pictures? He should send out some snazzy new headshots.
Floyd just happens to be a rather dopey looking dude. Can't hold that against him.
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They tested his ass so many times over so many years and nada. Over and over and over. Hell they showed up and tested him when Kik was ready to give birth. "Sorry, you can't go to the hospital..."

They all need to STFU.

If I get started on "the feds" we'll end up in the political forum.
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Did they even have an effective test for blood doping (i.e. transfusing your own blood back into your own body) in those years?
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Floyd just happens to be a rather dopey looking dude. Can't hold that against him.
What I can hold against him is he swore up and down he was clean. Won the Tour. Spent a fortune, cost him his marriage, and basically his lifestyle.

Now he's telling the truth. Right.

Geez I hate people like that. We you lying then, or are you lying now? How can we tell when you are lying and when you aren't?
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Floyd just happens to be a rather dopey looking dude. Can't hold that against him.
I think it comes from his Amish background.
Ever notice there aren't any Amish actors, actresses, or supermodels?
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What I can hold against him is he swore up and down he was clean. Won the Tour. Spent a fortune, cost him his marriage, and basically his lifestyle.

Now he's telling the truth. Right.

Geez I hate people like that. We you lying then, or are you lying now? How can we tell when you are lying and when you aren't?
Floyd has more credibility with me now than ever, and I don't think I'm alone. I do realize that is a total disconnect, and that he really has no legitimate credibility, but it was enough to get the Feds moving on the case. So it goes.

That being said I fully agree with RW, this is a total waste and misdirection of taxpayer resources. And I agree with RW that Floyd is a complete and utter scumbag, even if he is telling the truth now. As he rightly points out, it's impossible to know which Floyd version of the 'truth' to believe.
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Aww, come on.

If someone doesn't tear Armstrong down, no one would be able to make smug posts about how he "cheated".

Hey, let's go after Eddie Merckx next. He's still alive. Merckx was DQ'd twice because he got caught using PEDs - which is two more than the number of times Armstrong has been caught.
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Did they even have an effective test for blood doping (i.e. transfusing your own blood back into your own body) in those years?
EPO tests came on line about 1999. Of course they've evolved over time. When EPO was getting sexy (an old racing buddy of mine's son died last year, racing bikes, from a mis-dosed EPO deal, died in his sleep) then blood transfusing came back. The test for that basically looks at 15 antigens and can detect small amounts of transfused blood. But blood transfusing has been around a really long time. It's been done in all endurance sports...marathoning for example. The latest generation of this test was what caught Hamilton. Understand that Armstrong was still racing in 2004 when this particular test was coming on-line.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIl5RxhLZ5U

If I was Lance I'd use a line from Bob Knight..."When I die I want to be buried face down so you can all kiss my ass."

Feed the warrior.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBTcfRpnH1A
Bob Knight is an interesting comparison. A supreme and talented competitor, surrounded by apologists and yes men, and often the victim of his own hubris.
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Of course Armstrong doped. So did everyone else, and I mean everyone, if we're talking about GC contenders in the GTs. That has been true for ever - since before PEDS were illegal. All the greats took amphetamine back in the day, when that and booze were just about all that was available. And the question of what is cheating changes as the years pass, and new stuff comes out, and is used until it is both outlawed and can be detected. If anyone wants a level playing field, the only way they're going to get it is by simply abandoning the rules against doping.

So the question is, should Armstrong be pursued any more or less vigorously than anyone else? He's won the Tour seven times while vehemently protesting his innocence, so it is certainly a matter of some interest. And presumably nobody is saying that because he has founded a charitable enterprise he should be exempt?
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Any way you look at this situation it's complicated. Armstrong's charitable works don't excuse any potential doping offenses of course, but it does mean the fallout from any case against him has a far more widespread impact than a case against an athlete like Bonds or Clemens. The Feds seem aware of this, and indeed, they really do want to make sure they have a slam dunk case against Mr. Armstrong for a number of reasons.
From what I can see this US Attorney seems like a Ken Star wannabe . I mean hes been going after Bonds for years and hasnt even been able to get his case to trial. I doubt very much he will worry about things like having an slam dunk case against LA . The man seems obsessed. As far as Im concerned the best way to handle him would be to get rid of him. The mans been around for years under both Rs and Ds . I mean send him out to private practice so he can see whats its like to waste time and resources on a crap 10 year old case.
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After all the umpteen Armstrong threads, I am sure this one will generate a lot of new and thought-provoking ideas.

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You miss the point.
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I've already learned a lot. If it doesn't fit you must acquit.
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I couldn't care less about livestrong. There are better performing (from a financial standpoint) cancer charities to give money to anyway. If it goes away, the money will go elsewhere.

And if it doesn't... whatever. As a society, we don't really care about health. If we did, we wouldn't allow corporate interests to poison every aspect of our lives. Instead, we encourage it.
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