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    Lauren Fignon - RIP :((

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    Terribly sad.

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    Fignon had an excellent career. Had things gone a little different, he could have been close to the all time greats. Injury cost him a shot at least 2 TDF wins, and an epic ride by Lemond (and not tucking his ponytail in) cost him another.

    Its unfortunate that Fignon is defined to many (at least Americans) by a loss, rather than his wins.
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    1982 Criterium International
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    Wow. Only 50 years old too. Very sad indeed.

    Besides a great champion, he was also one of the classiest professional riders around. A very smart and humble man. French cycling fans used to call him Le Professeur.

    RIP Laurent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    Fignon had an excellent career. Had things gone a little different, he could have been close to the all time greats.

    He was one of the all time greats. Period. No ifs. He had, by any measure, a very successful career.
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    From a recent interview

    Je n’ai pas envie de mourir à 50 ans, mais si c’est incurable, qu’est-ce que j’y peux ? J’aime la vie, j’adore rigoler, voyager, lire, bien bouffer, comme un bon Français. Je n’ai pas peur de la mort, je n’en ai juste pas envie !

    I don't want to die at 50, but if it's incurable, what can I do about it? I love life, I love to have a laugh, to travel, to read, to eat well, like a good Frenchman. I'm not afraid of death, I just don't want it. (My translation)

    I have nothing but admiration and regret

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    Quote Originally Posted by bellweatherman View Post
    He was one of the all time greats. Period. No ifs. He had, by any measure, a very successful career.
    No doubt he had a wonderful career, and one 99.9% of professional cyclists would envy.

    However it depends how you define all time greats. 20 people have won 2 or more Tour de Frances.

    You would have to put Fignon a rung below Anquetil, Merckx, Armstrong, Coppi, Hinault, Indurain, Contador, and arguably Lemond.

    My point however, was that had things broken a bit different for him, he could have been considered as one of the top handful of all time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    No doubt he had a wonderful career, and one 99.9% of professional cyclists would envy.

    However it depends how you define all time greats. 20 people have won 2 or more Tour de Frances.

    You would have to put Fignon a rung below Anquetil, Merckx, Armstrong, Coppi, Hinault, Indurain, Contador, and arguably Lemond.

    My point however, was that had things broken a bit different for him, he could have been considered as one of the top handful of all time.


    To those that didn't become a cycling fan since 2000, the sport of cycling is not just about the Tour de France.

    Fignon's palmares are up there with the best. He IS one of the greatest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellweatherman View Post
    To those that didn't become a cycling fan since 2000, the sport of cycling is not just about the Tour de France.

    Fignon's palmares are up there with the best. He IS one of the greatest.
    Taking, Armstrong, and Contador out of the equation, haivng ridden in an era focusing on the TDF, Fignon's palmares are not that overwhelming in comparison to multiple Grand Tour winners.

    Fignon had 3 classics wins, and a Giro win in addition to his 2 Tour de Frances.

    That certainly doesn not put him in the same league as Merckx, Hinault, Anequetil, Coppi. Arguably not ahead of Lemond (with 3 grand tour wins and 2 world championships). And comparable to the palmares of a number of 2 time TDF winners.

    And I'm not trying to denigrate Fignon. My point again is to suggest that with a little bit different luck, he could have been considered alongside Indurain, Hinault, etc., and as luck played out, he fell a bit short of that.
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    Fignon is always the one I point out when people suggest I would be a better rider with contacts.

    Also to argue that Lemond was in a higher leauge than Lemond is wrong. 2 tours, 1 giro, 2 Milan- San Remos, 2Criterium Interantionals, stages at all 3 grand tours, and second at a tour based on equiptment not skill.

    Lemond never had the varitey and quality of wins, I think a lot of people's view of him is tinged by being American. He was a great ride, and changed the sport more than any other professional, but Fignon was a better bike racer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayce View Post
    Also to argue that Lemond was in a higher leauge than Lemond is wrong. 2 tours, 1 giro, 2 Milan- San Remos, 2Criterium Interantionals, stages at all 3 grand tours, and second at a tour based on equiptment not skill.

    Lemond never had the varitey and quality of wins, I think a lot of people's view of him is tinged by being American. He was a great ride, and changed the sport more than any other professional, but Fignon was a better bike racer.
    I think its debateable. Lemond won 2 world championships, and the Dauphine Libere, a stage of the Giro, 3rd and 4th place finshes in the Giro.

    I think most people would take a World Championship over a Milan San Remo win (and Lemond almost won Milan San Remo, and a few other classics.) And the Dauphine is at least on a par with the Criterium International.

    Lemond couldn't have won the Super Prestige Pernod trophy without consistnely high results in quality events.

    Lemond also lost more of his potential to injury than Fignon.

    Finally Lemond beat Fignon head to head on the cycling's largest stage.
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    A sad day! He was a real classy gentleman.

    May the winds be at his back always.
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    Fignon was a great rider, with a flamboyant attacking style. He had the mentality of a Patron, which he needed, to take on the quality of opponent that was around in the 80's. His Tour victory of '84 was a fantastic destruction of the opposition, completed in a dismissive, irresistable manner.

    His classic and stage wins were often achieved in a similarly unpredictable and courageous way- attacking early and holding the whole field at bay.

    One of my favourite riders of all. Nobody from the last 20 years compares- a true original.

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    It is sad, one of the greatest. And i put him with the biggest guys.

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    I put him up there with the greatest also. No stupid qualifying remarks and no ifs. Anyone who didn't just get all their info off of Wiki knows what Fignon has accomplished. Fignon was second to Lemond in 1989. Both great champions. He doesn't have the Tour wins as the legendary Merckx, or Hinault. He is 2nd to no one though as a true champion. There is no doubt though the legacy he left as an iconic figure in pro cycling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    I think its debateable. Lemond won 2 world championships, and the Dauphine Libere, a stage of the Giro, 3rd and 4th place finshes in the Giro.

    I think most people would take a World Championship over a Milan San Remo win (and Lemond almost won Milan San Remo, and a few other classics.) And the Dauphine is at least on a par with the Criterium International.

    Lemond couldn't have won the Super Prestige Pernod trophy without consistnely high results in quality events.

    Lemond also lost more of his potential to injury than Fignon.

    Finally Lemond beat Fignon head to head on the cycling's largest stage.
    Very sad about Fignon. I recall hearing that he was ill, but this is still sad news.

    Regarding Lemond, the way I look at it is that he had the ability to beat Hinault in Hinault's last victory, which would have meant that Hinault only won 4 times and Lemond 4 times. That was a team decision, not a victory decided by talent (arguably, at least). Also, who knows what Lemond might have done if he didn't have that hunting accident. Like you said, luck (or fate, perhaps) plays a role in how we remember these guys.

    RIP, Laurent Fignon.

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    Shocked as I thought he was doing ok.

    Saddened because he was an amazing rider and a nice person.
    i may have overreacted

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    50 is young. Metastasized cancer is a killer. Poor guy went down fighting, but it was in his intestines, pancreas, lungs and throat. He was a real character that gave a lot to the sport. Very sad.
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    Very sad. One of my favorites.

    May he rest in peace. He's in a better place now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bellweatherman View Post
    Anyone who didn't just get all their info off of Wiki knows what Fignon has accomplished.
    Dude, I first started paying attention to Professional cycling during Merckx's career. I watched Fignon win his Tours. I followed his career as best you could in America at the time, having suscribed to Velonews for 30 plus years. I've been to the Tour twice, and ridden a fair sampling of the major climbs of the TDF.

    While I'll use on line resources to insure my recollection is correct, and to document what I say, our assumption that my knowledge of professional cycling is gleaned from the internet after 1999 is sorely mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
    Shocked as I thought he was doing ok.

    Saddened because he was an amazing rider and a nice person.
    Quote Originally Posted by scary_perry View Post
    50 is young. Metastasized cancer is a killer. Poor guy went down fighting, but it was in his intestines, pancreas, lungs and throat. He was a real character that gave a lot to the sport. Very sad.
    Pancreatic cancer is almost always fatal; once you get the diagnosis it's too late. The 5 year survival rate is below 5%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    Dude, I first started paying attention to Professional cycling during Merckx's career. I watched Fignon win his Tours. I followed his career as best you could in America at the time, having suscribed to Velonews for 30 plus years. I've been to the Tour twice, and ridden a fair sampling of the major climbs of the TDF.

    While I'll use on line resources to insure my recollection is correct, and to document what I say, our assumption that my knowledge of professional cycling is gleaned from the internet after 1999 is sorely mistaken.
    There were some posts in this thread that are now deleted which bellweatherman was responding to.

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