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    Contador tests positive

    Clenbuterol. This year's TDF. Claims food contamination. Damn.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/albe...or-clenbuterol
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    even if it were food contamination, they hold them responsible for what they ingest. looks like he is going to have his hands full with this one. i really dont like contador but i wish this wouldnt have happened. next years tour looks to be wide open.......


    also, this will overshadow the worlds. couldnt they have waited til monday? i feel bad for the winner. this story will be bigger news if it goes the way it seems it will.
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    Wow, possible strip of recent TdF win and two year ban. Article says that experts also believe it to be a cause of food contamination. Not a huge fan, but his talent can't be ignored and if the alleged food contamination leads to a two year ban it would be terrible for the sport.

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    I suspect his claim is going to be that the clenbuterol was in the food and made him sick, but we'll have to wait and see what he actually claims.

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    If the B sample comes back positive, then Riis and Team SaxoBank are screwed as Riis has put all of his (and his sponsors') eggs in Contador's basket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCnoJ View Post
    Wow, possible strip of recent TdF win and two year ban. Article says that experts also believe it to be a cause of food contamination. Not a huge fan, but his talent can't be ignored and if the alleged food contamination leads to a two year ban it would be terrible for the sport.
    Actually that statement is from his publicist. No "experts" were quoted.
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    Riis has got to be pissed beyond all belief. If Alberto knew of this positive before he inked the deal with Saxo Bank he is guilty of fraud. I would like to know how this substance could get into someones food. I think the food line is unlikely. But I hope that it is true. If this substance were in food it is more likely that someone hoping to do harm put it there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCnoJ View Post
    but his talent can't be ignored and if the alleged food contamination leads to a two year ban it would be terrible for the sport.
    Grow up, and join the real world
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    Quote Originally Posted by umd View Post
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    Indeed. To get this started:

    No wonder Lance didn't beat him in 2009!


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    Quote Originally Posted by learnmedia View Post
    Actually that statement is from his publicist. No "experts" were quoted.

    "The experts consulted so far have agreed also that this is a food contamination case, especially considering the number of tests passed by Alberto Contador during the Tour de France, making it possible to define precisely both the time the emergence of the substance as the tiny amount detected, ruling out any other source or intentionality."

    That's straight from the article. It doesn't even sound like all that useful of a drug. If you're gonna risk doping, you might as well go all out. No sense taking a very small amount of a drug that may not even help much.

    Seems like the food contamination holds water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
    "The experts consulted so far have agreed also that this is a food contamination case, especially considering the number of tests passed by Alberto Contador during the Tour de France, making it possible to define precisely both the time the emergence of the substance as the tiny amount detected, ruling out any other source or intentionality."

    That's straight from the article. It doesn't even sound like all that useful of a drug. If you're gonna risk doping, you might as well go all out. No sense taking a very small amount of a drug that may not even help much.

    Seems like the food contamination holds water.
    He won a 21 stage, 92 hour long race by 39 seconds, all of which was gained due to a single mechanical failure. What do you mean no small amount of drug would help much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hezz View Post
    But I hope that it is true. If this substance were in food it is more likely that someone hoping to do harm put it there.
    I repeat again: Grow up and join the real world
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    your arguement makes no sense. "go all out"? thats how you get caught. it is widely known that pro-cyclist dope and the way they get past it is by micro-dosing.

    cant remember the exact article but a caught doper said that tiny doses of many drugs are taken because they will be out of your system by the time the next day rolls around. they rarely pull you out of the team bus in the middle of the night to test. so essentially you sleep through the drug and its gone in the morning. however you still recieve the benefits.

    the uci has, instead of looking for drugs, started testing for elevated levels of hemocrit among other things. so if your rbc percent increases by a certain pre-determined amount, or testoterone, or whatever they are testing for is off, then they can just assume without having to find the drug.

    going all out happened when they didnt have a test for epo. want proof Armstrong/everyone back in the day were doped? they were climbing in his era at 7+watts per kilogram on big climbs. this tour the max wattages on big climbs were 5.8-6.0 per kilo.

    now they have to be more careful and micro-dosing and using less obvious drugs (like this case) seems to be a way around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
    It doesn't even sound like all that useful of a drug. If you're gonna risk doping, you might as well go all out. No sense taking a very small amount of a drug that may not even help much.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clenbuterol

    ""It causes an increase in aerobic capacity, central nervous system stimulation,
    and an increase in blood pressure and oxygen transportation. It increases the
    rate at which fats are metabolized, simultaneously increasing the body's BMR."

    Riiiiggghhhht.
    Not useful at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    I repeat again: Grow up and join the real world
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    No, that statement is from his publicist. It was just copy pastaed into the article. Credible? Who knows. A panel of Contador assembled so-called experts wouldn't be my go to source.

    Food contamination is certainly possible, its happened before. There are specific governmental guidelines for how to respond to Clenbuterol food contamination cases. The point is that doesn't matter. If food contamination was an acceptable excuse everyone would point the finger at the pork chop. Really boss. The pig was on EPO, 's not my fault! The only real question is how much was present and whether it was enough to have a chance at enhancing performance. Of course, the UCI has banned people before for minute trace amounts of banned substances that seemingly could not possibly produce any tangible benefit.
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    Where's the big "YAWN" icon ? Is this a surprise ?

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    Andy Schleck is smiling somewhere in Europe............
    I feel like a soiled kleenex dropped in the gutter in the red-light district of Paris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
    "The experts consulted so far have agreed also that this is a food contamination case, especially considering the number of tests passed by Alberto Contador during the Tour de France, making it possible to define precisely both the time the emergence of the substance as the tiny amount detected, ruling out any other source or intentionality."

    That's straight from the article. It doesn't even sound like all that useful of a drug. If you're gonna risk doping, you might as well go all out. No sense taking a very small amount of a drug that may not even help much.

    Seems like the food contamination holds water.
    reread the section youre quoting, the quotes around that section indicate they are quoting contadors PR statement, not that cycling news itself consulted experts.

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    "Alberto Contador is affected by a doping control at the last Tour de France on July 21, where it was found the substance clenbuterol," the automatically translated message reads.

    "From the time of the first communication from the UCI, August 24, Alberto Contador alleged food contamination as the only possible explanation of what happened and has been turned over to the cyclist authorities since then in the confidence that this very serious problem could be clarified, which now is public."

    "The experts consulted so far have agreed also that this is a food contamination case, especially considering the number of tests passed by Alberto Contador during the Tour de France, making it possible to define precisely both the time the emergence of the substance as the tiny amount detected, ruling out any other source or intentionality."

    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hezz View Post
    Riis has got to be pissed beyond all belief.
    Bad karma
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonian View Post
    Andy Schleck is smiling somewhere in Europe............
    Out celebrating with PEBs with O'Grady perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonian View Post
    Andy Schleck is smiling somewhere in Europe............
    Or thinking therefore but the grace of god....

    Recall Pereiro didn't exactly celebrate particularly at first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    I repeat again: Grow up and join the real world
    What do you mean "grow up"? I know full well that what I would like is the least likely scenerio. Funny thing though, I'm setting at the laundry-mat typing this on their wi-fi because my washroom is down. They are showing a sports program on tv about doping in sports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonian View Post
    Andy Schleck is smiling somewhere in Europe............
    Or really nervous ... pacing back & forth
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