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Old 10-03-10, 03:25 PM   #1
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crybaby...

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...-doping_144526

i think there is a chance that it may have been a case of accidental ingestion..however, i am not buying the tainted steak story..

i guess he's taking his ball and heading home?
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Just shows you what his character really is.
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what does this mean?...cause he said someone is quitting if they are accused of something, and this shows his character..
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i would like the UCI to make it mandatory that all samples be heldfor a period of 10-15 years for retesting.......

I hope alberto means what he says.

that being said....if the riders are able to pass these tests and a majority of the elite riders are doing it, get off the backs of these guys until the UCI can level the field. Cycling is a great sport but if doping is that much of a benefit than find a consistant way to keep this from happening. I don't think the UCI is doing everything they can to stop this from happening. If you allow the employee to be tardy dont blame the employee for being late. If you allow it to persist and don't take meaningful measures to correct the situation don't blame the employee....blame yourself...

Drug Doping

Those that benefit
Newspapers and Media
Teams that win with doped riders
The riders (if they don't get caught)
The Events that host the top riders

Those that are hurt
Riders who are caught
International cycling credability
The majority of riders out there that either are clean or would choose to be clean if they felt the field was clean

To me it is clear that those that benefit from this should not be the ones making the rules. If the credability is to be earned back they need to take measures to test samples in the future to discourage use, make individual teams responisble for monitoring their own riders between races with their own testing, and to look into Vo2 max indexing. If a rider is caught doping the rider and team are punished with extreme punishment.

otherwise, let em dope the the WWE.....wait, the WWe tests their athletes as well.....lol

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I don't necessarily think he's being a crybaby- I think what he's saying is that he did not cheat, and that if he is found guilty, then the testing programs are so corrup that a clean racer cannot get a fair shake in the world of cycling.
If what he is saying is true, then it speaks a great deal to his character in that he would rather quit racing and give up all of his potential future winnings in order to boycott a corrupt system. That would actually be pretty honorable.

PLEASE NOTE- i personally think they all blood dope, dope, cheat, swindle, etc.- except for Thor Hushovd- who is riding possessed by Thor and Odin Himself!
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I think what he's saying is that he did not cheat, and that if he is found guilty, then the testing programs are so corrup that a clean racer cannot get a fair shake in the world of cycling.
Regardless of his meaning or intentions, somehow the rule makers need to get a handle on what constitutes doping which actually benefits performance. The amount that showed up in AC's test is so miniscule that it's difficult to believe that anyone would even want to deliberately take that dosage.

Re they all do/did it, sometimes I thing that the existence of doping makes it difficult for folks to accept that elite athletes simply perform on a much higher level than do the rest of us.
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Fog- It's interesting to me that because you don't agree with my opinion of professional bike racers that you have to deride me as unable to accept that there are better atheletes than me. I'm a fat guy who rides a bike and who happens to have an opinion. Is Tiger Woods a better golfer than me? yup. Can Lance Armstrong ride a bike better than me? yup. Did Tiger Woods have Lasik surgery that made his depth perception greater than humanly perfect? yup. Is that cheating? Did Lance Armstrong cheat? you decide.
But in your decision making, don't make the people you disagree with to be lesser than you. This thread is about a guy's character- belittling others you don't agree with speaks to yours.

Did Contador cheat? we'll find out. I really hope he didn't, but after more and more people get caught cheating in a sport i love, I can't help but feel a little disillusioned when i watch them race.

That, and the fact that Michael Rasmussen looked like a terminal AIDS patient at the height of his career disillusions the sh*t out of me.

is it difficult for you, as a folk, to accept that?
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Oddly enough, Contador's claims about being treated unfairly and threatening to quit permanently sound an awful lot like Vino's "threats" after he got busted. It must be in the Astana team's media handbook.
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Hahaha, this quote from cyclingnews is ****ing hilarious:

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Contador also claimed that there have been moments in the past weeks when he has been tempted to leave cycling, especially in the immediate aftermath of being informed of his positive test. “I said to myself: I’m quitting it all,” he said. “I saw children around my house on their bikes imitating me, and I felt like telling them ‘Let it go, don’t try and be a champion and do it correctly. This world is unjust.’”
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I don't necessarily think he's being a crybaby- I think what he's saying is that he did not cheat, and that if he is found guilty, then the testing programs are so corrup that a clean racer cannot get a fair shake in the world of cycling.
If what he is saying is true, then it speaks a great deal to his character in that he would rather quit racing and give up all of his potential future winnings in order to boycott a corrupt system. That would actually be pretty honorable.
I agree.
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I don't necessarily think he's being a crybaby- I think what he's saying is that he did not cheat, and that if he is found guilty, then the testing programs are so corrup that a clean racer cannot get a fair shake in the world of cycling.
If what he is saying is true, then it speaks a great deal to his character in that he would rather quit racing and give up all of his potential future winnings in order to boycott a corrupt system. That would actually be pretty honorable.

PLEASE NOTE- i personally think they all blood dope, dope, cheat, swindle, etc.- except for Thor Hushovd- who is riding possessed by Thor and Odin Himself!
Then he should have said that. Apparently he said something else that wasn't nearly so honorable.
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Then he should have said that. Apparently he said something else that wasn't nearly so honorable.
Here are his quotes from the velonews link above:

“If this is not resolved favorably and in a just fashion, then I would have to reconsider or not I would ever come back to the bike,” Contador said on La Noria. “I am very optimistic and I think things will be resolved favorably.”

“If they want to analyze every sample that I gave during the Tour in as many labs as they want or if they prefer, they can freeze them and test them again in three or five years with whatever future methods of testing they might have,” Contador said. “They can do what they want. I have nothing to hide.”

I don't see anything dishonorable here.
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Here are his quotes from the velonews link above:

“If this is not resolved favorably and in a just fashion, then I would have to reconsider or not I would ever come back to the bike,” Contador said on La Noria. “I am very optimistic and I think things will be resolved favorably.”

“If they want to analyze every sample that I gave during the Tour in as many labs as they want or if they prefer, they can freeze them and test them again in three or five years with whatever future methods of testing they might have,” Contador said. “They can do what they want. I have nothing to hide.”

I don't see anything dishonorable here.
It sounds a lot like, if you don't find me innocent then I am taking my fame and leaving you. You will be left without a great champion if you suspend me for doping. I don't care that I have violated the rules for whatever reason and the rules don't care about reason, but you suspend me and I am never returning to this sport.
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It sounds a lot like, if you don't find me innocent then I am taking my fame and leaving you. You will be left without a great champion if you suspend me for doping. I don't care that I have violated the rules for whatever reason and the rules don't care about reason, but you suspend me and I am never returning to this sport.
That's what I got out of it too.
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Then he should have said that. Apparently he said something else that wasn't nearly so honorable.
Yeah, he should have crafted a quote that would have satisfied and silenced the cynical internet critics.

Of course, if he says he'll quit, he's a "crybaby who's just taking his ball". However, if he says he'll stay, he's "shameless doper whose mere presence in the pro-peloton besmirches cycling." But, the internet is rife with "honorable" people craving the moment they can say something--anything--negative about people whose lives are actually worthy of mass interest.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

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It sounds a lot like, if you don't find me innocent then I am taking my fame and leaving you. You will be left without a great champion if you suspend me for doping. I don't care that I have violated the rules for whatever reason and the rules don't care about reason, but you suspend me and I am never returning to this sport.
If he's guilty, then yes, I can see that. But, if he's innocent, then I can see him feeling that the system isn't fair enough to continue a professional career under the current 'unfair' rules.

I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty, I'm just saying that there isn't necessarily anything dishonorable that he said, at least IMO.
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't
The UCI or whoever metes out the bans has the same conundrum. If they buy his excuse and want to give him a break, then they will be accused of all kinds of things, but if they ban someone for a technicality, then they have demonstrated that their own system doesn't work. The only way their ban will have any real legitimacy is if they can demonstrate that Contador really was cheating, and that might be hard to do without any additional evidence, testimony, etc.
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He had Clen in his body, that alone is cheating. I don't even give a **** how it got there and whether or not it was effective.
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He had Clen in his body, that alone is cheating. I don't even give a **** how it got there and whether or not it was effective.

Forget the reasoning behind the rules, and be a slave to one that wasn't completely thought through before it was adopted.
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Forget the reasoning behind the rules, and be a slave to one that wasn't completely thought through before it was adopted.
If indeed he wasn't cheating, then the UCI and WADA should take this opportunity to establish some minimum level for those chemicals/drugs that can be ingested via background noise.
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My reasoning for that opinion is, that I don't expect top athletes like Contador to ever get caught on anything but minimal doses, technicalities or gigantic ****-ups. So minimal dose is good enough for me. As is circumstancial evidence, which the whole blood passport thing is based on. Al Capone was only convicted of tax evasion or something also, that's the same principle.

Besides, I don't buy his ridiculous tainted beef story for a second. I mean, come on... That's all the best he could come up with after a month of preparation?
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Fog- It's interesting to me that because you don't agree with my opinion of professional bike racers that you have to deride me as unable to accept that there are better atheletes than me.
My meaning was not clear. I was thinking about how cycling differs from other sports. If we take up a team sport such as football, it's immediately clear that some people are better than others. With cycling, it's possible to just get on a bike and ride it. No need to ride with others, so no being constantly reminded that others are much better at it than we are.

FWIW I agree with a previous poster re the need for developing testing protocols which identify at which level a drug actually does result in a performance enhancement.
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Yeah, he should have crafted a quote that would have satisfied and silenced the cynical internet critics.
And it should have been crafted in perfect (American) English so that the cynical American internet critics wouldn't have to either (1) read a translation or (2) bother to learn a second language.
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