TechKnowGN

I was a fan of armstrong, will say in a lot of ways I still am. But theres no doubt in my mind after spending a bunch of the past week+ talking to Floyd Landis, and then having him backed up by Hincapie, that Lance doped.

Allez3

It is still a government agency, and it is still therefore public money. They are not a private corporation that can do whatever they want. Airports and special districts like Redevelopment Agencies operate the same way. Doesn't matter whether they make or lose money, they are still a government agency. You're like talking to a brick wall. I work in finance for a quasi government agency, so yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Are we done yet?

collegeskier

Why does it matter if it is Governmental or not? Does anyone feel like USPS lost in this deal in anyway shape or form. Even if you say Lance personally got a check from the US treasury with in the memo line For EPO, did they really get defrauded. Did they get what they asked for tons of publicity? And why are we not going after every baseball team for defrauding their advertisers. Honestly, USPS benefited from cheating if it happened.

Shimagnolo

Exactly.
And if the team had stayed clean, thereby losing every race they entered, who would argue the USPS got their moneys worth???

PeddlingPilgrim

the USPS reported a $2.2 billion loss for the 1st quarter of this year, they also expect $42 billion in additional losses over the next four years. @ that debt level it's being speculated that they are next on the fraud, i mean bailout list.

https://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...131039272.html
https://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/...t-the-mailman/

vik 

I always assumed Lance doped - just like everyone else on the podium. I don't really care. If I did I couldn't watch any pro sports could I? I don't blame him for doping or any other pro cyclist. The choice is pretty clear dope, come 71st or sell Encyclopedias door to door. I'd be surprised if you can be a decent support rider and not dope.

I do hate all the lying about doping, but again I don't know what else the riders can do?

It's a messed up system.

bikepro

This is a very weak rationalization for cheating. It's just another form of the "do anything to win" mentality.

gear

First let me say I'm not attacking you or anyone else who holds this opinion, I just don't understand it. Doping is cheating, if you saw someone cheating in some pro sport and they got away with it, you honestly wouldn't care? For me it would make me loose interest in that sport. It's why I've lost interest in pro basketball, when someone can take four steps (without a dribble) and not get called for traveling just because the dunk was spectacular, I stop caring.

If you want to change the rules and allow doping OK but please don't compare the riders who come after that to guys from the past who didn't have the advantage of EPO.

vik 

If everyone who is in contention is cheating with the same tool kit than it's a level playing field even if it's fair in a way that's against the rules.

Cat4Lifer

It's called a crab-dribble!!!
jeeez

DXchulo

So far I've seen a lot of 60 Minutes bashing and "everyone was cheating so he was still the best!"

koffee brown

What is the point?

First, if Landis and Hamilton are testifying, I really don't put much credibility in what they say. So watching a 60 minutes special and sitting there listening to these cheats talk to us as if we are to believe them is supposed to make me care one way or another? I don't think so. I just don't care what these cheaters have to say. I hate cheaters and liars. They make me believe in them, and I trust in them until I find out the truth, and then it really burns me up when I find out they were really lying. I want to put my trust in them, but like many others, when you betray the trust and lie, and you make us believe, it's difficult to think that we're really going to go back to believing you once again.

Now Hincapie- that would be different. I would want to see the testimony/interview with George. But even then, this was a looooong time ago- I'm not so sure it's relevant anymore. What does it matter? What does it solve? What does the world gain by more allegations?

I think the only thing that really is relevant is if Lance did dope, how did he manage to get through so many tests, both announced and unannounced, for so many years with not so much as a blip on the pee radar screen? That would concern me more than anything- if someone's getting away with it time and time again, and they haven't caught him, God knows how many others are doing the same. I'm more interested in seeing how you can cheat the system, and then close down that cheating avenue if it's true.

Otherwise... meh. *yawn*

koffee

vik 

He's a top level athlete with a full medical team. Recall that neither Jan or Ivan Basso ever were caught during doping tests either.

koffee brown

Yeah, I get it. But like I said- until he either confesses or they come up with solid evidence, it just is a waste of time to deal with conjecture and heresay.

koffee

Howzit

No you did not, you and the gang here had a defend to the death outlook on the Lance allegations.
I had many posts directed to you specifically in trying to explain to you how it was with Lance, and now look at you....

Cat4Lifer

Nah, youre wrong
you just talked and are talkin **** cuz I wanted more evidence before reached my conclusion now I have it. and any dimwitted twit that wants to gloat over lance's current problems, have at it. lance's fate is no skin off my nose

Howzit

Oh, i think it is.... chap.

hudsonbay

I haven't seen any statement from Hincapie and don't think much of CBS (stopped watching 60 Minutes years ago). All I have seen/heard is sketchy accusations from sketchy people. First it was Greg LeMond who is a certifiable head case. Then it was Landis who got caught riding dirty in 2006 and then continued to lie about it (wrote a book defending himself) until 2010 when he decided to "be honest" and go after Lance at the same time (time for another book?). Now there's the 2x busted Hamilton (and he vigourously denied cheating) who comes across like he will jump off a bridge any day now (no doubt he's medicated). He echos things Landis said (like "getting caught" at Tour de Suisse). Of course he has plans for a book as well. If Armstrong ever cheated then screw him but I'm not giving credibility to a crew of head cases - especially when two of them were busted themselves and vigourosuly protested their detection - just to come clean while attacking Lance and chasing book deals and attention.


Lance Armstrong: “Unpardonable zeal to smear” George Hincapie


https://sanfrancisco.ibtimes.com/arti...tes-doping.htm

ultraman6970

Dunno if anybody post this link already, is about another postal service rider back in the 2000's... he states what hamilton said was true...

https://velonews.competitor.com/2011/...ng-true_174876

hudsonbay

It says right in the article Mercer rode for Postal in 1997 - a year before Armstrong was on Postal. He wasn't on Postal in 2000's.


Also:

"GENEVA—The International Cycling Union “categorically rejects” Tyler Hamilton’s claims that it helped cover up a positive drug test by Lance Armstrong at the 2001 Tour de Suisse, the governing body said Monday"

We didn’t cover up Armstrong test results, cycling body says

https://www.thestar.com/sports/articl...body-says?bn=1

Shimagnolo

Funny that the lab director has testified otherwise to the FBI.

bellweatherman

Hudson, did PR Strategies get you here, or you just influenced on your own dime?

Cat4Lifer

I'm sure you do, chump.

Cat4Lifer

Tyler never claimed that the UCI covered anything up; he said Lance intimated to him that the UCI did.

vik 

Just for the sake of argument let's assume the UCI did cover up a doping test failure for Lance. What do you think they'd say in response to Tyler's accusations?