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Pendergast 05-22-11 06:22 PM

Who was the last TDF winner who was not doping?
 
How far back do you have to go to say with near certainty that a winner was not doping?

Nerull 05-22-11 06:27 PM

Doping in cycling is older than the TdF, so...never.

WHOOOSSHHH... 05-22-11 06:27 PM

Andy won the last two.

merlinextraligh 05-22-11 06:27 PM

trick question. Maurice Gaurin was got for cheating. So the answer is infinity.

KD5NRH 05-22-11 06:29 PM

2200 miles of hills? Can you even enter that thing without some major drug use?

merlinextraligh 05-22-11 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KD5NRH (Post 12678919)
2200 miles of hills? Can you even enter that thing without some major drug use?

Do you think we ride this on mineral water?

baj32161 05-22-11 06:35 PM

I would need drugs to get through a flat stage:D. I do not believe it is even possible to ride that race at the pace those guys do without "help." Three weeks of 24+ MPH racing, including 8 or 9 mountain passes.....I am no doctor or trainer but can the body even recover enough to do that at a slow pace?

Cheers,

Brian J

merlinextraligh 05-22-11 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by baj32161 (Post 12678938)
I would need drugs to get through a flat stage:D. I do not believe it is even possible to ride that race at the pace those guys do without "help." Three weeks of 24+ MPH racing, including 8 or 9 mountain passes.....I am no doctor or trainer but can the body even recover enough to do that at a slow pace?

Cheers,

Brian J

It's a matter of pace. In Lemond's words, it never gets easier, you just get faster.

I've ridden a stage of the TDF ( Le Etape 2005) It took me 2 hours longer than it did Richaard Virenque, the stage winner.

I'm certain with a little training, I could finish all 21 stages of the TDF. Now, I would certainly be out of the time limit and removed from the race, but I could do the distance in the muber of days alloted.

But the point is, it's not a super human task to ride the course in 21 stages with 2 rest days. The issue is wether anyone cna do it at the pace the winners do without PEDS.

Homebrew01 05-22-11 06:51 PM

LeMond got blown away by the EPO dopers, and he seems bitter about losing to dopers. I wonder if he was clean, or did he just take the weak stuff available at the time.

Grasschopper 05-22-11 06:52 PM

I think I have gotten to this point on the subject: as long as it is a level playing field then I don't care. They have limits which are set for blood levels and whatnot. You can dope and be just under those...go for it, it's your body/health and honestly it is a better watch than if they crawled along.

How did baseball recover its popularity? Steroids. What was the slogan? Chicks dig the long ball.

Kurt Erlenbach 05-22-11 06:54 PM

I got EPO while I was getting chemo in 2006. The stuff is absolute magic juice. I have no doubt that a few hematocrit points makes a signficant difference to riders in a long race.

baj32161 05-22-11 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh (Post 12678995)
It's a matter of pace. In Lemond's words, it never gets easier, you just get faster.

I've ridden a stage of the TDF ( Le Etape 2005) It took me 2 hours longer than it did Richaard Virenque, the stage winner.

I'm certain with a little training, I could finish all 21 stages of the TDF. Now, I would certainly be out of the time limit and removed from the race, but I could do the distance in the muber of days alloted.

But the point is, it's not a super human task to ride the course in 21 stages with 2 rest days. The issue is wether anyone cna do it at the pace the winners do without PEDS.

That was the basis of my question. I am sure the race can be ridden by many....but not at the speeds those guys do it. How much have the speeds increased over the past 15-20 years?

Cheers,

Brian J

max power 05-22-11 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by baj32161 (Post 12678938)
I would need drugs to get through a flat stage:D..I am no doctor or trainer
Cheers,

Brian J

you are no athlete either

Commodus 05-22-11 07:18 PM

I don't believe Contador dopes.

Clen? Come on man, that's not dope.

It seems very unlikely that Greg LeMond doped.

celticfrost 05-22-11 07:35 PM

The answer is easy: Alberto Contador.

It wasn't EPO/ dope, it was "tainted beef". Just go ahead and ask him (or his lawyers) if you want the truth.

ls01 05-22-11 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Commodus (Post 12679137)
I don't believe Contador dopes.

Clen? Come on man, that's not dope.

It seems very unlikely that Greg LeMond doped.



I gotta go with Le Monster too. He was way to pissed about dope to be a doper.

Commodus 05-22-11 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by celticfrost (Post 12679212)
The answer is easy: Alberto Contador.

It wasn't EPO/ dope, it was "tainted beef". Just go ahead and ask him (or his lawyers) if you want the truth.

I actually believe this. Or maybe I just choose to.

I might be the only one.

ls01 05-22-11 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celticfrost (Post 12679212)
The answer is easy: Alberto Contador.

It wasn't EPO/ dope, it was "tainted beef". Just go ahead and ask him (or his lawyers) if you want the truth.

Right! and the saline in lances bag was just "tainted" with epo.

UGASkiDawg 05-22-11 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Commodus (Post 12679237)
I actually believe this. Or maybe I just choose to.

I might be the only one.

:bang::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse2::deadhorse2::deadhorse2:

surgeonstone 05-22-11 07:50 PM

That's so easy- Greg Lemond.

Shimagnolo 05-22-11 07:53 PM

Fausto Coppi freely admitted to doping in NINETEEN FORTY-NINE.
So at what point since then did pro cycling suddenly decide to give it up?

BillyD 05-22-11 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by baj32161 (Post 12679038)
I am sure the race can be ridden by many....but not at the speeds those guys do it.

I don't think so. I doubt there's more than a couple people around these forums, the 33 included, that could do 21 consecutive 100+ mile days with just 2 rest days. In their dreams maybe, yes, but otherwise no.

ravenmore 05-22-11 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerlenbach (Post 12679025)
I got EPO while I was getting chemo in 2006. The stuff is absolute magic juice. I have no doubt that a few hematocrit points makes a signficant difference to riders in a long race.

Congrats on beating cancer bro! That's the one race where doping in totally cool...

needawheel 05-22-11 08:54 PM

70s,80s doping was less helpful some talented might have won without it. lemond, hinault had bad days.

StephenH 05-22-11 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 12679493)
I don't think so. I doubt there's more than a couple people around these forums, the 33 included, that could do 21 consecutive 100+ mile days with just 2 rest days. In their dreams maybe, yes, but otherwise no.

Actually probably quite a few, if you back the pace off. Get me 3 consecutive weeks vacation and I'll let you know.


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