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    Lance come clean yet?

    I am a big fan & even have an autograph from the early days pre Tour victorys. He needs to admit it and move on. The longer it goes the weaker and sadder he becomes, noone doubts that he did something.....Something.

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    It would cause a nuclear explosion.

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    Or maybe he didn't, and if admits it's perjury and jail..nope I hope he keeps his mouth shut and kicks the feds a**. Then we can fire a few FDA types.

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    I can't believe the Gov is spending all this money on this crap. Who freakin' cares? What are they going to do bust everyone in the Tour de France? All this when almost any high paid lawyer can spin it any which way? The gov needs to spend its money and resources going after REAL criminals instead of trying to crucify a 7 time world champion just they can say they did it. Idiots!

    This is the same thing when the EPA went after the motorcycle builder Jesse James for building and selling bikes that were supposedly not EPA compliant. He made like less than a thousand custom bikes! Really! That was going to make a huge impact on the environment! Yet, they let go half a dozen other builders who did the same thing! It's like a witch hunt and the more popular the "witch" the more the gov prosecutor can make a name for himself.

    Tax payers dollars can be better spent somewhere else. There are REAL criminals out there that deserve justice yet the gov is barking up the wrong tree.....again.
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    I dont care if he doped or not. He is still a champ and a hero. Hell, I honestly wouldnt care if he snorted coke in front of me (though fizzy drinks are probably not in his diet)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palomar01 View Post
    I can't believe the Gov is spending all this money on this crap. Who freakin' cares?
    Some of us do, even if you don't.

    When USPS signed on to sponsor, one of the stipulations in the contract was that the riders are clean. If Lance wasn't, then he's committed fraud against the US Govt (and therefor us - the taxpayers), and violated the terms of his contract.

    Potential fraud against the Fed should always be pursued. Otherwise more companies/individuals will decide that the risk may be worth the reward.
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    Having read a bunch of books by and about Lance, I don't believe for a second that he ever used PEDs. I think he won seven times on sheer guts and determination, and after what he went through with cancer, he decided to live life all out, all the time.

    Some of his competition didn't have that resolve. Look at Ulrich at the start of a season - the guy looked like he wintered at Krispy Kreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete View Post
    The same place the other 100 threads about doping have gone ?
    Hmmmmm trollheim or 217 ?

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    Having read a bunch of books by and about Lance, I don't believe for a second that he ever used PEDs. I think he won seven times on sheer guts and determination, and after what he went through with cancer, he decided to live life all out, all the time.

    Some of his competition didn't have that resolve. Look at Ulrich at the start of a season - the guy looked like he wintered at Krispy Kreme.
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    I personally don't care but I acknowledge that some people do.
    The whole "taxpayer $" argument is weak to me though. The amount they'll spent on this investigation (while certainly significant to normal people) is probably immaterial to the budget as a whole. They likely figure that making an example of public figures is a good return on the investment in terms of a deterrent. Obviously that is debatable. Don't necessarily agree or disagree but I understand the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave1442397 View Post
    Having read a bunch of books by and about Lance, I don't believe for a second that he ever used PEDs. I think he won seven times on sheer guts and determination, and after what he went through with cancer, he decided to live life all out, all the time.

    Some of his competition didn't have that resolve. Look at Ulrich at the start of a season - the guy looked like he wintered at Krispy Kreme.
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    String the Sociopath up.

    Armstrong lied, cheated and stepped on the heads of baby kittens on his way to seven tour titles. He committed fraud, trafficed in illegal substances, commited slander and libel, participated in the selling of team equipment to finance the team's doping program and a host of other crimes in his own self interest.

    If you think his 'foundation' is such a Godsend you should look at how well it is actually run (in terms of dollars raised that actually find their way to those in whose name they are raised) and how LA personally benefits from the foundation. I mean really, like no-one had ever heard of fricken' cancer before Lance.

    I am sick and tired of hearing about this prick and I wish he, and the ignorant '99ers who clog various forums with their idolizing drivel, would STFU and go the frack away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palomar01 View Post
    I can't believe the Gov is spending all this money on this crap. Who freakin' cares? What are they going to do bust everyone in the Tour de France? All this when almost any high paid lawyer can spin it any which way? The gov needs to spend its money and resources going after REAL criminals instead of trying to crucify a 7 time world champion just they can say they did it. Idiots!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave1442397 View Post
    Having read a bunch of books by and about Lance, I don't believe for a second that he ever used PEDs. I think he won seven times on sheer guts and determination, and after what he went through with cancer, he decided to live life all out, all the time.

    Some of his competition didn't have that resolve. Look at Ulrich at the start of a season - the guy looked like he wintered at Krispy Kreme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
    You got it right....
    The Krispy Kreme part maybe.

    There's more to the story than a couple of books and listening to Paul & Phil gushing during Tour coverage.
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    is there anybody out there that can challenge Contador? I am excited to see what he will do at TdF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tagaproject6 View Post
    is there anybody out there that can challenge Contador? I am excited to see what he will do at TdF.
    It's such a sad state of afairs at this point. I would like to cheer for the guy but he is so much better than anyone else on a bike right now I can regrettfully no longer believe that it is purely about genetics and a dogged determination.


    Seriously.

    I've been racing for 25+ years. I won a National Championship, trained with World Champions, other National Champions and riders with Olympic, Pan-Am and other medals. I have a 4 year old son and, as much as I love the sport and as much as I love having him plug away beside me as we spin around the block before I head into the mountains for 5 hours it would break my heart if he wanted to follow my path and exceed my achievements and turn pro.

    I know the decisions he would have to face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
    It's such a sad state of afairs at this point. I would like to cheer for the guy but he is so much better than anyone else on a bike right now I can regrettfully no longer believe that it is purely about genetics and a dogged determination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
    Mother of all facepalms...




    String the Sociopath up.

    Armstrong lied, cheated and stepped on the heads of baby kittens on his way to seven tour titles. He committed fraud, trafficed in illegal substances, commited slander and libel, participated in the selling of team equipment to finance the team's doping program and a host of other crimes in his own self interest.

    If you think his 'foundation' is such a Godsend you should look at how well it is actually run (in terms of dollars raised that actually find their way to those in whose name they are raised) and how LA personally benefits from the foundation. I mean really, like no-one had ever heard of fricken' cancer before Lance.

    I am sick and tired of hearing about this prick and I wish he, and the ignorant '99ers who clog various forums with their idolizing drivel, would STFU and go the frack away.
    Glad you're in Tiawania or wherever the hell you are. String him up? Stop. You are making yourself look like an idiot. Wait, i've just read some of your past rants. It's to late.Stick to racing champ. You are much better at that than using your typewriter and expressing silly opinions, about which you have zero first hand knowledge. Carry on...
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    I'm guessing Contador is showing us the next generation of PED's or he has really good doctors or he pays off the testers, OR all of the above.

    Seems everyone doped back in Lances's day. Oh well.

    Lets apply this same level of scrutiny to the other sports and see what happens. Big money, big pressure means big doping.

    All they will get out of this LA investigation is a circumstantial case, if it leads to a conviction or the court room I will be shocked.
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    This is very much a thread about Pro Racing and there it is going. Follow the link.
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    Bound and determined to NOT accept the truth, the new argument is that it's a waste of money to prosecute.

    Whatever gets you through, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHOOOSSHHH... View Post
    Glad you're in Tiawania or wherever the hell you are. String him up? Stop. You are making yourself look like an idiot. Wait, i've just read some of your past rants. It's to late. Carry on...
    I've forgotten more than you know about this sport by a considerable margin. Those I've coached, trained with and raced with in 25+ years could say the same.

    Skip the personal crap and point to anything I said that isn't supported by fact or first hand testimony.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt-man View Post
    I'm guessing Contador is showing us the next generation of PED's ...
    Yes. This has always been the way.

    When I was in University (in the 80's as an old man) I presented a research paper to one of the people involved in coming up with the first test for blood doping. In this paper I illustrated the cat and mouse game that dopers and tester have been playing since the 1950's. Prior to that it was openly talked about and not considered such and issue.

    Do some googling on cycling and doping. Here. IIRC the Pelltier brothers are the source of the strycnine quote. Look at the six day races and amphetimes - there is a system of doping in cycling stretching back generations.

    My point is that any LA fanboys who still believe this guy is innocent when every other rider, save one, who ever finished on a podium with him at the tour has since been caught for doping are either ignorant or regular viewers of FOX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHOOOSSHHH... View Post
    Glad you're in Tiawania or wherever the hell you are. String him up? Stop. You are making yourself look like an idiot. Wait, i've just read some of your past rants. It's to late.Stick to racing champ. You are much better at that than using your typewriter and expressing silly opinions, about which you have zero first hand knowledge. Carry on...
    And your first hand knowledge is .... ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
    Mother of all facepalms...




    String the Sociopath up.

    Armstrong lied, cheated and stepped on the heads of baby kittens on his way to seven tour titles. He committed fraud, trafficed in illegal substances, commited slander and libel, participated in the selling of team equipment to finance the team's doping program and a host of other crimes in his own self interest.

    If you think his 'foundation' is such a Godsend you should look at how well it is actually run (in terms of dollars raised that actually find their way to those in whose name they are raised) and how LA personally benefits from the foundation. I mean really, like no-one had ever heard of fricken' cancer before Lance.

    I am sick and tired of hearing about this prick and I wish he, and the ignorant '99ers who clog various forums with their idolizing drivel, would STFU and go the frack away.
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