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Old 05-25-11, 12:02 PM   #1
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Giro Stage 17 Spoiler

Breakaway 3 man sprint finish. Visconti first over the line but relegated to 3rd for pushing.

Stage result: 1. Ulissi (Lampre) 2. Lastras (Movistar) 3. Visconti (Farnese Vini)

Last Km. (Italian)
http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/programmi...-raisport.html

Right decision IMO.
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Old 05-25-11, 12:52 PM   #2
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The Lastras got the worse deal in the group. I think he might have been able to win if not for the other two. It was funny watching the aerial. Visconti clearly comes all the way across the road pushing Lastras out of the way before getting squeezed on the barrier by a less then consistent line Ulissi. I was surprised that Visconti was relegated, but only because he was the Italian national champ. But I agree with the decision, I might have relegated Ulissi for an inconsistent line as well.
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Post stage interview (translation by David Harmon, Eurosport)

Visconti: "I was going twice as fast as him. If I hadn't taken my hands of the bar I wouldn't have made it to the finish. He's a young rider. Terribly bad behaviour all day. Anyway I'm glad to be here. Sorry but it's a pity these things happen in the Giro d'Italia"
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From what I remember, Ulissi did nothing wrong.
It was Visconti who tried to make his way between
Ulissi and the barrier; it was a poor decision on his part.
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From what I remember, Ulissi did nothing wrong.
It was Visconti who tried to make his way between
Ulissi and the barrier; it was a poor decision on his part.
An argument could be made that Ulissi line was erratic and that he squeezed Visconti into the barrier. He did not make it that obvious, but I can see how Visconti sees is that way. I would not be surprised if Ulissi notice someone there and happened to 'drift' slightly left. That said Visconti went from the right barrier to the left barrier cutting off Lastras in the process and tried to squeeze through a small gap between Ulissi and the barrier.
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Old 05-25-11, 03:50 PM   #6
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Well, it looks to me like Visconti went way to the left for no particular reason, then Ulissi drifted a little bit left and got shoved. If Visconti felt like he was getting boxed it, then it was his own fault.

I'd assume it was the shoving that caused the relegation, since that was significantly more unsafe than Ulissi drifting over.
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An argument could be made that Ulissi line was erratic and that he squeezed Visconti into the barrier.
Maybe, but it would, IMO, be a poor one. If one defines an "erratic line" as moving two to three inches in either direction, then yes, it was erratic. However, if that were the case, many riders would be regulated--perhaps, all the sprinters in almost every sprint. Bottom line, as I see it: Visconti made a tactical error in going to his left, when there was plenty of room to his right. He was clearly going much faster than Ulissi, and most likely would have won, had he simply gone to his right.

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I figure if the officials of the Giro d' Italia regulated the Italian national road race champion from 1st to 3rd, then he probably deserved it. If there is one guy would have gotten the benefit of the doubt, it would have been him.
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Yeah, Visconti just tried to pass on the wrong side. He has nobody to be angry with other than himself. Ulissi drifted a little, but nothing out of the ordinary or dangerous. Of course the guy in front isn't going to let anybody pass on the barrier side. Petacchi's move on Stage 2 was a lot worse and he didn't get in trouble for that.

Visconti should be kicked out of the race. Imagine if Cav had done something like that. It's a good thing Lastras was paying attention or that could have been ugly.
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Yeah, Visconti just tried to pass on the wrong side. He has nobody to be angry with other than himself.
at first I felt sorry for him, but there was a whole rode of room on the right.










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I really don't understand what he did. Why go across from the right to the left? If he stayed straight he would have won. Moving diagonally makes the distance to the line farther. What was he thinking?
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I really don't understand what he did. Why go across from the right to the left? If he stayed straight he would have won. Moving diagonally makes the distance to the line farther. What was he thinking?
According to Cyclingnews Visconti in the 'processo alla tappa' justified moving from right to left by saying the wind was blowing from the right.

Note also the UCI chief commissaire for the stage was a Belgian so presumably we can't accuse him of an anti-Sicilian bias.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/visc...talia-stage-17
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For anyone who understands Italian and who has an hour to watch this here's the Jerry Springer show italian style otherwise known as 'processo alla tappa'.

http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/programmi...sport.html#p=0
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Old 05-26-11, 07:16 AM   #14
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Ulissi definitely drifted

Here is a link to the video of the sprint. Fast forward to the 7:14 mark

[video=youtube;CqGaoXxr9wg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqGaoXxr9wg[/video]
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