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Old 06-30-11, 01:33 PM   #1
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Just thinking outside of the box until the end of the stage is near. What would happen if a team decided to start their full sprint tactics, leadout, etc. at double or triple the distance that they normally do. Could they in theory tire out sprinters such as Cavendish so he is spent before the line?

Here is an example. Let's say that for some reason Garmin does not think Farrar can beat MC today. But they have Thor and Millar. Could they ramp it up into full sprint stage end mode with say 3-5 kilometers to go and gas all of the sprinters so a time trialist type could win the stage?
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Sky better take Renshaw when they take Cavendish.
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Tyler Farrar was a little bit emotional in his interview after the stage and mentioned how Cavendish was dropped from the 'grouppetto' yesterday.

Apparently a few riders have accused Cavendish of 'hitching' a ride by holding on to a team car to get up the mountain within the time limit while the TV cameras were covering the front of the race.
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Tyler Farrar was a little bit emotional in his interview after the stage and mentioned how Cavendish was dropped from the 'grouppetto' yesterday.

Apparently a few riders have accused Cavendish of 'hitching' a ride by holding on to a team car to get up the mountain within the time limit while the TV cameras were covering the front of the race.
I saw that interview. Its pretty funny. Thousands of spectators and nobody videoed or got a photo of it. Like that wouldn't have been on youtube within 5 seconds of it happening. Basically, the complaint was that he wanted Cav dropped from the race so he could win a stage. Get over it, Tyler. Get your boys together and just beat HTC train and Cav.
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Wonder why Ferrar didn't get first wheel behind Cavendish? Maybe he could have won this one if he did. These leadouts remind me of Cipollini's and Petacchi's past dominance... team does 90% of the work, leaving them in first place with a couple hundred meters to go. Makes it so easy.

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Just thinking outside of the box until the end of the stage is near. What would happen if a team decided to start their full sprint tactics, leadout, etc. at double or triple the distance that they normally do. Could they in theory tire out sprinters such as Cavendish so he is spent before the line?

Here is an example. Let's say that for some reason Garmin does not think Farrar can beat MC today. But they have Thor and Millar. Could they ramp it up into full sprint stage end mode with say 3-5 kilometers to go and gas all of the sprinters so a time trialist type could win the stage?
Well on a flat road in the main peloton like that, the drafting effect is too high for a high pace to trouble any of the sprinters.

The one situation that that could work I suppose is if there was a mild climb near the finish -- say a Cat.4 maybe 20km from the finish, or an uncategorized but still significant climb within the last 10km. Where if the peloton rode at an easy pace, the sprinters could stay... but possibly get dropped, or at least sent to the rear of the peloton, if pushed hard. Even when Cipollini was dominating, I remember him getting dropped on a very easy climb, where most of the peloton stayed intact. The team had to try nursing him back for the bunch sprint
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The one situation that that could work I suppose is if there was a mild climb near the finish -- say a Cat.4 maybe 20km from the finish, or an uncategorized but still significant climb within the last 10km. Where if the peloton rode at an easy pace, the sprinters could stay... but possibly get dropped, or at least sent to the rear of the peloton, if pushed hard. Even when Cipollini was dominating, I remember him getting dropped on a very easy climb, where most of the peloton stayed intact. The team had to try nursing him back for the bunch sprint
Omega Pharma-Lotto tried that this year.
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Loved Cavendish in his interview saying that perhaps the reason no other teams helped HTC pull back the break was because they have no confidence in their sprinters. Hmm....who's he talking about lol.
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HTC Lead out Train wins another stage for Cav.

They all should get the green jersey, they do all the work. Sprint stages used to be the reason I watched the TDF.

I'm praying they don't get sponsored again so sprinting will be interesting again.
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Sky better take Renshaw when they take Cavendish.
Rumour has it they might be trying to do just that. Putting Thomas and Renshaw in front of Cavendish would be pretty much as good as having Martin and Renshaw there.

As for all those who think Cavendish is overrated, and owes it all to his team, you should listen to what he and his team say about one another. He acknowledges that they do ninety percent of the work and deserve as much credit as him, while they - pretty much to a man - say that he's a terrific teammate, and that it's a privilege to work for a leader who finishes so reliably. He has a point when he questions the commitment of the other teams to their sprinters. HTC's morale is so high, and they keep on giving everything for him, largely because when they do, he delivers.
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HTC Lead out Train wins another stage for Cav.

They all should get the green jersey, they do all the work. Sprint stages used to be the reason I watched the TDF.

I'm praying they don't get sponsored again so sprinting will be interesting again.
There's nothing stopping other teams from doing what HTC does.

The sprints are exciting. Its not a give that HTC will win. Heck, Cav almost got caught at the end today with a great lead out. Its just that today nobody else even had a decent one. Greipel pulled before the sprint even started. And its not ALL about the lead out. Cav has won with out the best lead outs in this very tour. Just last year Petacchi won a couple of stages and the Green.
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I don't think any other sprinters have the right to complain about Cavendish. They are all quite happy to sit back and let HTC spend all day at the front of the peleton pulling in the breakaway without doing anything to help. This is the only TDF I can remember where only 1 sprinters team has chased breaks down. Nobody seems willing to do anything to help them, yet everyone is happy to complain about them. I think Cavs comment about them not riding because they not have confidence in there sprinters is spot on.
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Yea.. Farrar sounded like a whiney little kid today. "the sprint was scary and dangerous" how? last km looked pretty freaking straight to me. he just got owned.

There are plennnnty of people who hate Cav that if they caught him holding a car he'd be outted so fast. Getting pretty desperate when you need to try to call fouls
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Farrar was pretty upset in the interview at the end. I'm not sure what he was going on about the dangerous part, I could have missed it however. I'm not a Cav fan but if you want to beat him you are going to have to change tactics because they have what works down pretty well at this point.

Not specifically in this thread but in some others and even on TV people say it is almost all his team. Ok so what? Five minutes ago they were saying how most fans don't get how much a team sport cycling is. Which is it?
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I don't think any other sprinters have the right to complain about Cavendish. They are all quite happy to sit back and let HTC spend all day at the front of the peleton pulling in the breakaway without doing anything to help. This is the only TDF I can remember where only 1 sprinters team has chased breaks down. Nobody seems willing to do anything to help them, yet everyone is happy to complain about them. I think Cavs comment about them not riding because they not have confidence in there sprinters is spot on.
Garmin did a ton of the work in the first week, so you can't say HTC is the only one chasing down breaks. I think that nobody else is willing to work for their sprinters, because they actually have GC contenders to work for instead. HTC in my opinion poses 0 threat for the podium. And I don't think his comment was spot on, I think he's just being a tool as always. Cause that is all he is. 100% tool.
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Farrar was pretty upset in the interview at the end. I'm not sure what he was going on about the dangerous part, I could have missed it however. I'm not a Cav fan but if you want to beat him you are going to have to change tactics because they have what works down pretty well at this point.

Not specifically in this thread but in some others and even on TV people say it is almost all his team. Ok so what? Five minutes ago they were saying how most fans don't get how much a team sport cycling is. Which is it?
I think the problem a lot of people have, including me, is that he's "the fastest in the world" and the "best of all time" when his team does all the work, thats all. If it was "HTC is the best leadout train of all time" or "the most dedicated sprinting team of all time" or "Mark Renshaw is the best leadout man of all time" I wouldn't be so cranky on the issue.
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Team Garmin Cervelo is way back in the overall standing what happened?

58. MILLAR David 56 TEAM GARMIN - CERVELO 66h 20' 04" + 55' 30" 59. HUSHOVD Thor 51 TEAM GARMIN - CERVELO 66h 20' 22" + 55' 48"
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Farrar was pretty upset in the interview at the end. I'm not sure what he was going on about the dangerous part, I could have missed it however. I'm not a Cav fan but if you want to beat him you are going to have to change tactics because they have what works down pretty well at this point.

Not specifically in this thread but in some others and even on TV people say it is almost all his team. Ok so what? Five minutes ago they were saying how most fans don't get how much a team sport cycling is. Which is it?
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