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    Stage 11: Wednesday, July 13 168 km Blaye-les-Mines → Lavaur

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    Tough to beat Cav when he has his train going like that. Greipel was out of position again.

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    HTC were riding against all the other teams today. They deserve the Cav victory.

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    Tomorrow the race starts...

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    Another textbook finish by Cavendish. Interesting to hear him interviewed at the finish. He talked about making a mistake yesterday (not hitting it hard enough and therefore failing to accelerate away from Greipel) and how he was determined not to make that mistake today. Also, he was worried 500 meters out because his shoe came undone and he had to refasten it. I must practice fastening my shoes at >40kph...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    He talked about making a mistake yesterday (not hitting it hard enough and therefore failing to accelerate away from Greipel) and how he was determined not to make that mistake today.
    Gave out his secret stage winning recipe
    - get a leadout train to the front
    - accelerate out of front and make gap
    - maintain gap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    He talked about making a mistake yesterday (not hitting it hard enough and therefore failing to accelerate away from Greipel) and how he was determined not to make that mistake today.
    HAHA. That was his explanation for losing? Really? He "forgot to go fast"?

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    Two more sprinter stages, plus the stage to Lourdes finishes 40km downhill after the last mountain so that's a maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prettyshady View Post
    Gave out his secret stage winning recipe
    - get a leadout train to the front
    - accelerate out of front and make gap
    - maintain gap.

    No way, that's all it takes to win?

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    And of those three things I'd say its 90% leadout. Greipel came from 6th wheel to second. If he had an equal leadout it would have been all Andre.

    I'm so tired of all this "greatest sprinter of all time" talk. He is really, really, really good, has a ton of wins, and I totally respect his sprinting skills. But its all lead out train, at least 75%. Rojas and Greipel impress me more. Even out the lead out train factor, and he would just be another competitor.

    On the other hand the fact that HTC has such a great leadout leads me to give them a ton of respect. They really sacrifice themselves for Mark.

    Idk, I'm the same way with football when I watch, the key is the lineman, the other guys just enjoy their hard work. Key example, the Cincinnati Bengals had Carson Palmer, TO, Chad Johnson, and on and on, but the offensive and defensive lines were so weak, they couldn't shine. Without the men doing the hard work, the talented guys get no love. However the Patriots have an amazing line, and we all know how much everyone loves Tom Brady. In my opinion Carson Palmer is the better QB, but that's a tough argument to win because Palmer doesn't have a super bowl ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wxduff View Post
    I'm so tired of all this "greatest sprinter of all time" talk. He is really, really, really good, has a ton of wins, and I totally respect his sprinting skills. But its all lead out train, at least 75%. Rojas and Greipel impress me more. Even out the lead out train factor, and he would just be another competitor.
    I agree. In my mind, what makes someone an individually "great" rider, they have to overcome incredibly challenging odds with regularity. Sprinting at 45mph sure isn't easy, but Cav has to really screw something up to lose a field sprint assuming his team does their job. It's much more impressive, and fun to watch, when sprinters overcome the challenge of not having a sprint-oriented team and still winning.
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    Well yeah, Cav could as easily have said after stage 10, "I forgot to bring Renshaw to the finish, hats off to Andre."

    Somehow that's hard to imagine though. In the final 5k I thought today (stage 11) would be closer since HTC was burning up so many leadout guys by still having to chase the break. But then Lampre decided Petacchi had a chance and took a pull. Really that's why Cav won today, he should send Petacchi some flowers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
    Well yeah, Cav could as easily have said after stage 10, "I forgot to bring Renshaw to the finish, hats off to Andre."

    Somehow that's hard to imagine though. In the final 5k I thought today (stage 11) would be closer since HTC was burning up so many leadout guys by still having to chase the break. But then Lampre decided Petacchi had a chance and took a pull. Really that's why Cav won today, he should send Petacchi some flowers.
    Lampre would have been smart to let HTC burn up. I yelled at the TV when they took that big pull. The break still would have been caught, and the sprint would have been on more even ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kind of Blued View Post
    HAHA. That was his explanation for losing? Really? He "forgot to go fast"?
    Not quite. He suggested that he tried to crank it up gradually rather than go full-out from the moment he took up the lead, which is plausible enough given that he was left in front earlier than usual. His point being that his forte is instant acceleration, not a slow burn. He also said that he thought Greipel's effort to win that stage was one of the most perfectly-timed sprints he had ever seen: which some might regard as an excuse, but at least gives credit where it's due.

    Quite a lot of you don't like this boy, do you? His record is extraordinary, and to be fair to him he never fails to give credit to his team for the work they do on his behalf. Is the dislike because of his perceived arrogance? If so, I'm interested, because I don't think he is arrogant. He's outspoken and emotional and, well, young ... but actually he seems to me to have more humility than most of the top sprinters I remember. During today's commentary on Eurosport Sean Kelly - no mean sprinter himself - was talking about the psychology of the top fast men. He said "once they see the finish line they'd run down their mother if she was in the road".
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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    Quite a lot of you don't like this boy, do you? His record is extraordinary, and to be fair to him he never fails to give credit to his team for the work they do on his behalf. Is the dislike because of his perceived arrogance? If so, I'm interested, because I don't think he is arrogant. He's outspoken and emotional and, well, young ... but actually he seems to me to have more humility than most of the top sprinters I remember. During today's commentary on Eurosport Sean Kelly - no mean sprinter himself - was talking about the psychology of the top fast men. He said "once they see the finish line they'd run down their mother if she was in the road".
    I think it is too factors. First, people get tired of watching the same person win all the time (though if he was an American I'm sure he would be much more popular here). Second, he says some things that seem a little mean spirited or over the top. That's the excuse people have to not like him, when they already want to root against him.

    Many people (myself included) like to root for the underdog. The derivative of that is rooting against the favorite.

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    and I totally respect his sprinting skills. But its all lead out train, at least 75%
    Listen, Cav has a great leadout but he was also lights out after Renshaw got tossed for head butting last year. He lost the best leadout man in the game and still won stage after stage. He simply has more speed than anyone else in the peleton and he knows it. He miscalculated yesterdays sprint and Greipel stole it. He wasnt going to make that mistake today. Hes often said that in the final 300km he's looking at who is around him and just sprinting a as fast as he needs to 85%, 90% or 100% to get the stage win.

    HTC as a unit are as singularly driven for stage wins as Lance's teams were driven for his yellow jersey conquests. And as stated before Cav always gives massive credit to his team and i dont think its just lip service.
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