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View Poll Results: Is the sport signficantly cleaner than 2006?
Yes, we've come a long way, baby. 10 19.23%
A clean rider can make top 5, that's it. 1 1.92%
A clean rider can win a stage, not the GC 4 7.69%
Doping is still as bad as it's been the last ten years 14 26.92%
Jury is still out 23 44.23%
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Old 07-03-11, 04:53 PM   #1
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Is this a win for clean cycling?

Does the Garmin victory say more to you than a victory by any other team would about the level of doping today? Are we at the point a clean rider can win a Mountain stage? The GC? What say you?
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Old 07-03-11, 05:14 PM   #2
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Just look at the past couple tours in the last month. The Tour de Suisse, Tour de California, and Dauphine were some of the best racing I have seen in years. No one guy seemed to be miles ahead of the others, and even if someone won a mountain stage, they struggled somewhere else. Multiple people attacking and fighting for Top 5 GC or a mountain stage.

Then take a look at the Giro: Contador wins by 6 minutes over 2nd place while taking his time on many stages so it didn't look like he was rubbing it in. Great fight between 2nd and 3rd, and great close fight between 4-10. I think the Jury is still out on him, but for the most part I think the sport is much cleaner than it has been in years past, simply because the racing appears to be better.
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Dopers are always one step ahead the testers. It's always going to be that way. The days of 60% hematocrit may be gone, but the guys aren't 100% clean.
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It doesn't matter! It is entertainment.
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It doesn't matter! It is entertainment.
That might be the smartest, most succinct thing I've ever read on BF.
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if garmin doesn't win, then obvioulsy the peloton is dirty.
we can all feel better knowing that the field is clean, at least
yesterday and today.
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if garmin doesn't win, then obvioulsy the peloton is dirty.
we can all feel better knowing that the field is clean, at least
yesterday and today.
Im confused, what does the garmin team have anything to do with anything???
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Just look at the past couple tours in the last month. The Tour de Suisse, Tour de California, and Dauphine were some of the best racing I have seen in years. No one guy seemed to be miles ahead of the others, and even if someone won a mountain stage, they struggled somewhere else. Multiple people attacking and fighting for Top 5 GC or a mountain stage.

Then take a look at the Giro: Contador wins by 6 minutes over 2nd place while taking his time on many stages so it didn't look like he was rubbing it in. Great fight between 2nd and 3rd, and great close fight between 4-10. I think the Jury is still out on him, but for the most part I think the sport is much cleaner than it has been in years past, simply because the racing appears to be better.
I'm not sure that doping is gone but I do think that the peloton is overall somewhat cleaner than in the past. And it does seem to me that the racing has gotten a little more exciting since there seems to be several guys with similar fitness that can ride with each other.
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Im confused, what does the garmin team have anything to do with anything???
They are widely believed to be the cleanest team in the Pro Tour. So if they are getting clobbered it is a subtle clue that the peloton may be doped.
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I will continue to ignore things like facts, evidence and reality and tell myself that Anglos are clean but Europeans all dope.
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They are widely believed to be the cleanest team in the Pro Tour. So if they are getting clobbered it is a subtle clue that the peloton may be doped.
I thought that might be what he was getting at, but.... surely, it can not possibly be what he was getting at... surely
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Dopers are always one step ahead the testers. It's always going to be that way. The days of 60% hematocrit may be gone, but the guys aren't 100% clean.
This is true, but maybe the times are changing. We'll see:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada...ping-detection
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They are widely believed to be the cleanest team in the Pro Tour. So if they are getting clobbered it is a subtle clue that the peloton may be doped.
Meaning that they actually have the stealthiest designer dope, of course. Then again, it also seems to be the least effective dope.

Maybe what they should do is pick some random fat people on fixies to pace the race; anyone passing them is disqualified on suspicion of unsavory methods like doping, practicing, being in shape, or drinking too much water.
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I think this is definitely the cleanest Tour in a long long time.
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I think this is definitely the cleanest Tour in a long long time.
Clean as in "the dopers probably a step ahead of testing protocols"?

I do not think pro cycling can ever be clean. I just can't envision it.
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Not with UCI handling things...oh you mean...PEDs...nevermind.
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Clean as in "the dopers probably a step ahead of testing protocols"?

I do not think pro cycling can ever be clean. I just can't envision it.
I don't think any sport can be 100% clean, but that's not what I said.
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I don't think any sport can be 100% clean, but that's not what I said.
Okay, I'll concede the semantics to you. You are right. Cleanest not clean, I understand.
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Does the Garmin victory say more to you than a victory by any other team would about the level of doping today? Are we at the point a clean rider can win a Mountain stage? The GC? What say you?
What are you on about?
You honestly think the paid PR publicity stunt by Garmin has anything to do with actual doping?
Wow.
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What are you on about?
You honestly think the paid PR publicity stunt by Garmin has anything to do with actual doping?
Wow.
I have zero % comprehension of what you said. What paid PR stunt?
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Until today, I thought so. There was a real Ricardo Ricco flavor to Andy's performance. How long until the A sample comes back?
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Until today, I thought so. There was a real Ricardo Ricco flavor to Andy's performance. How long until the A sample comes back?
Let us all hope AS didn't pull a Landis by slapping stuff on his sacks..
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If Andy starts growing facial hair, we'll know something's up.
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For the record, I was a Ricardo Ricco fan. But, within 30 seconds of his big attack, I said out loud, "He's doping." Some attacks are just too obvious.

Fast-forward to yesterday . . . Schleck and one teammate vs. the peloton on a false flat against the wind . . . and they MAKE TIME on the peloton??? That was more telling than the initial attack itself. Schleck doesn't beat anyone on a 0% to 2% grade, but he was taking time from the peloton yesterday. Hmmmmmm.
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