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    TdF is turning in to bloodsport

    This is the first time I've ever watched the TdF. It's only the second stage race I've ever watched. The first was the 2011 TdCali. I can't believe how many crashes there are. Is this normal? Broken noses, broken hip, cars knocking leaders out of the race, motorcycles laying in the road, spectators causing massive pile-ups...WTF is going on? That guy flying in to the barbed wire was insane, and he finished the race with blood streaming down his legs! I have a whole new appreciation for the toughness of these guys.

    Will the driver of that car face criminal charges?
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    take this to the 217

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    Carnage, pain. Sounds about right.

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    Whoa!

    The fastest move EVAR!

    Bike racing is kind of a bloodsport.

    Always has been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgjackson View Post
    Will the driver of that car face criminal charges?
    If he escapes the lynch mob...
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    So, this kind of stuff is pretty normal in the TdF? That car hitting the breakaway still blows my mind. You just don't see that kind of stuff in professional sports, especially in something as huge as the TdF.
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    the car was pretty unusual. I've seen a couple of accidents where the moto has clipped a rider. I remember in the Vuelta a couple of years ago one of the american riders got run over by a moto...can't remember who, maybe Zabriskie?
    I've never seen one of the tv cars do that, they're usually pretty skilled. And of course, team cars are driven mostly by ex-riders who have great driving skills and have done grand tours so they know what they're doing. That was just completely insane!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgjackson View Post
    So, this kind of stuff is pretty normal in the TdF? That car hitting the breakaway still blows my mind. You just don't see that kind of stuff in professional sports, especially in something as huge as the TdF.
    Did you catch the officiating in the USvBra women's match yesterday. That was right on par.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadco View Post
    Did you catch the officiating in the USvBra women's match yesterday. That was right on par.
    Didn't catch it. What happened?
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    no they are just getting more in depth footage than in past years.

    anyone else getting the helicopter noise stuck in their head? Its there everytime I watch a TV.

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    This is a little above average for a grand tour, and a little more dramatic, but not much.

    Last year Frank Schleck broke his collarbone during Stage 3; Armstrong basically dropped out of GC competition because of a couple of small crashes on Stage 8. Stage 2 was so bad that the riders basically neutralized the stage (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/...0706-zxti.html).

    There are lots of crashes during the first week or so of the tour. The riders are antsy, everyone wants to be on the front, the flat stages are at a very fast pace. It's a part of racing.

    On a side note, you don't go to jail for getting into an accident unless you've done something else illegal, such as drive while intoxicated or openly intend to harm someone. I really don't understand why everyone wants a driver who genuinely made a mistake to go to jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Bain View Post
    anyone else getting the helicopter noise stuck in their head? Its there everytime I watch a TV.
    Ugh, I hate that noise. I really wish they would cut the sound, or at least tone it down, for the chopper shots.

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    There's a report floating around that race radio specifically told the driver not to pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe View Post
    Ugh, I hate that noise. I really wish they would cut the sound, or at least tone it down, for the chopper shots.
    Well, at least the fans don't each have a vuvuzuela.

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    I don't believe any of it is real. If they can fake the moon walk why not the 2011 TDF? The whole thing is fake.

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    Seen several motorcycle incidents before and at least once saw a few riders slam into the bike of a car that stopped instantly or lay the bikes down because of it. Never seen (probably has happened but I've never seen it and I am by far NOT an expert) a car just side swipe them like that and take off.

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    craziest start to a TDf I've ever followed... sure there are always one or 2 riders who go over a barrier, wipe on on soft tar, launch over a cliff. These 9 days takes the cake...
    especially the TV car incident. course I can't remember ever seeing as many motos and cars in the caravan as this year. Way too many. And when a crash happens they block the medics from getting to the scene quickly and everyone else from getting thru.
    riders seem to be secondary to the whole scene. can't imagine that it's over yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dagna View Post
    There's a report floating around that race radio specifically told the driver not to pass.
    That is not exactly true. The reports are that what he did was in violation of general instructions given not long before he tried to pass. It was not that he was specifically was told to not pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe View Post
    This is a little above average for a grand tour, and a little more dramatic, but not much.

    Last year Frank Schleck broke his collarbone during Stage 3; Armstrong basically dropped out of GC competition because of a couple of small crashes on Stage 8. Stage 2 was so bad that the riders basically neutralized the stage (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/...0706-zxti.html).

    There are lots of crashes during the first week or so of the tour. The riders are antsy, everyone wants to be on the front, the flat stages are at a very fast pace. It's a part of racing.

    On a side note, you don't go to jail for getting into an accident unless you've done something else illegal, such as drive while intoxicated or openly intend to harm someone. I really don't understand why everyone wants a driver who genuinely made a mistake to go to jail.
    Before I start calling for someones head I want one question answered.

    What experience did this guy have. If it turns out that he had very little and was driving because of connections then I do want heads to roll, but not his.

    And I'd be quite happy for the final outcome to be that guys controlling cars have to have demonstrated their ability before going on the biggest stage in cycling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe View Post
    On a side note, you don't go to jail for getting into an accident unless you've done something else illegal, such as drive while intoxicated or openly intend to harm someone. I really don't understand why everyone wants a driver who genuinely made a mistake to go to jail.
    You must be kidding. In this country there are criminal offences called "driving without due care and attention" and "dangerous driving" and "causing death by dangerous driving". The onus is on the driver to pay attention and not make mistakes that put someone else at risk. Anything else is simply a charter for stupid careless driving, which is what this was. In my view the driver should be prosecuted just like I would be were I to drive like this on a public road.
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    Hang 'em. Hang 'em with barbed wire!
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    I've seen a lot of bicycle crashes but the scene after the Vino crash was especially disturbing and dramatic. Evans said he had no idea what had happened until they rounded the corner and saw injured riders everywhere.

    Sad scene.
    i may have overreacted

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    Tdf turning into bloodsport, someone needs to photoshop Bolo on a bike
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    It's not unheard of. This year seems to be off to a rowdy start, for sure. But read back over TdF's from the past; crashes, upsets and injuries are not uncommon.
    It is the sheer number of chase vehicles in the midst of the peloton that gets me. Add wild eyed Frenchmen driving Tour cars in there and it's a wonder we don't see more damage done.

    The more TdF I watch, though, the more I find myself rejecting the grip of fear we have over cycling helmets. I've become more interested in body armor, instead.
    I had a horrid dream about barbed wire last night, too.
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