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Old 07-13-11, 11:00 AM   #51
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Firearms. The answer to eliminating soccer for good is allowing firearms in the sport.
Firearms would work, but I'd settle for body checking. Would make it watchable.
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Old 07-13-11, 11:17 AM   #52
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Yeah, I dont get this video, I always assumed all the bikes at this level are right at the weight limit. How are these bikes better than the others?
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Old 07-13-11, 12:03 PM   #53
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Its definitely July.
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Old 07-13-11, 12:10 PM   #54
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I'm still confused on what that video segment was all about. They replaced an already super light carbon fiber frame with another one that was "naked?" Okay...

I thought that pretty much all riders in the pro peloton were riding sub-6.8 kg bikes with whatever parts/weights necessary to bring it just over 6.8 kg, regardless of what kind of stage it is. Maybe I missed something in that video. At least the end made me laugh a little.
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Old 07-13-11, 12:55 PM   #55
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This is not just a random thing I say but it is backed up by logic and physics.
You're missing some facts here: power doesn't increase proportionately to weight and weight-to-power ratio tends to decrease as rider weight increases. For this reason, lighter riders tend to be stronger where weight matters (in the mountains) even if their bike weight is a bigger percentage of their body weight. This is confirmed in practice too: poor skinny Contador with his big, heavy bike is probably the best climber in the sport currently.
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Old 07-13-11, 01:04 PM   #56
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I'm still confused on what that video segment was all about.
It is all about selling bikes to amateur riders. Understand that and it all makes 100% complete sense.
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Old 07-13-11, 01:24 PM   #57
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is there a way to have the bike "accidentally" shed weight during a race. lets say during that infamous crash at the TDF a couple days ago the lead weight in the hollow crank falls out.... you can keep on riding on that bike right?

maybe even set a device that would house water in the frame to get it to the weight minimum... then have it leak out during the race... the possibilities are endless..
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is there a way to have the bike "accidentally" shed weight during a race. lets say during that infamous crash at the TDF a couple days ago the lead weight in the hollow crank falls out.... you can keep on riding on that bike right?

maybe even set a device that would house water in the frame to get it to the weight minimum... then have it leak out during the race... the possibilities are endless..
I like how you think.
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Instead of making more silly attempts at mocking me it would suit you better to bring arguments to the table.
In my post above I have come up with actual numbers proving my statement that the weight of the bike is unfair for lighter riders.
This is not just a random thing I say but it is backed up by logic and physics.
I might be wrong, but until proven wrong by logic I will assume I am right.
I have yet to see you come up with anything even remotely resembling logic or numbers or even a statement other than "you are a troll".
Maybe your childish behaviour is indeed "typical pretentious BF", I don't know.
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So that's why all the climbing specialists are big, strong guys!
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You're missing some facts here: power doesn't increase proportionately to weight and weight-to-power ratio tends to decrease as rider weight increases. For this reason, lighter riders tend to be stronger where weight matters (in the mountains) even if their bike weight is a bigger percentage of their body weight. This is confirmed in practice too: poor skinny Contador with his big, heavy bike is probably the best climber in the sport currently.
3. _watch_ cycling. eventually you'll get it.

look, you trolled me in!
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Old 07-13-11, 02:32 PM   #60
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So a 200 pound rider can only use a 20 pound bike?

I'd also be a little concerned that the riders will try to lose undue amounts of weight to get a lighter bike, sort of like how all the kids in my high school who were on the wrestling team went on crash diets a week before a match to get into a lower weight class.
In other sports they would weigh once at the start of the season. A copmbination of Height, weight and age determioned if you could compete as a 'B' or 'C' competition. I had metal shop before sports one semester, the day of the weighin I spent the whole shop period working at the smelter and Furnace. Must have dropped at least 10 Lbs. If I had beeen a little dehydrated going it that could have been very dangerous.
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is there a way to have the bike "accidentally" shed weight during a race. lets say during that infamous crash at the TDF a couple days ago the lead weight in the hollow crank falls out.... you can keep on riding on that bike right?

maybe even set a device that would house water in the frame to get it to the weight minimum... then have it leak out during the race... the possibilities are endless..
Big risk. There are 2 sports I know of where weight matters, Horse racing and bobsleding. In both the weight is taken after the finish. Considering how easy a weight shcek is compared to doping I'm betting bikes get checked. It is just that there is no tempting way to cheat on weight, so no one gets caught.
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Why not allow knives in soccer?
OK, the thread is disposable, but this is a truly brilliant idea.
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OK, it pains me to say this, but AdelaaR might have a point.

Two riders, different weights, start with the same power-to-weight ratio. For the moment, let's exclude aerodynamics.

"Pantani" starts with 55kg and 357.5w (6.5kg/w). Add the 6.5kg bike, and the ratio changes to 5.813/kg.

"Armstrong" starts with 74kg and 481w (6.5kg/w). Add the 6.5kg bike, and the ratio changes to 5.975W/kg.

If we use the 10% formula, Pantani gets a 5.5kg bike and Armstrong gets a 7.4kg bike. The power-to-weight ratio for both decreases to 5.9W/kg.


I concur that this is an oversimplification, that the key is power-to-weight ratio, and practically speaking the teams would throw a fit over a 10% rule. However, it does seem that unless there is some other factor at work, the lighter rider is at a disadvantage in this scenario.
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Old 07-13-11, 04:10 PM   #64
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I guess it safe to assume their bikes have been over the UCI's minimum weight limit....
Some of the teams with a larger budget use a slightly heavier bike for flat and rolling stages. They usually are about 1- 1.5 pounds over the minimum. It is felt that increasing frame and component reliability is more important for general non mountain riding. However, usually only the teams with lots of money have these dual bikes for certain elite GC guys. Lotto being more a classics team and perhaps having a lower budget have likely not had special minimum weight bikes in the past.
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I wish I could get that skinny (and not be terminally ill).
I am : ) 5'6 110
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You're missing some facts here: power doesn't increase proportionately to weight and weight-to-power ratio tends to decrease as rider weight increases. For this reason, lighter riders tend to be stronger where weight matters (in the mountains) even if their bike weight is a bigger percentage of their body weight. This is confirmed in practice too: poor skinny Contador with his big, heavy bike is probably the best climber in the sport currently.
To highlight this fact let's compare AC and GH. Supposedly AC can do 800 watts maximum output for a few seconds. GH can output 800 watts for 10 -12 minutes as witnessed by TDF power output data from a couple of years back, and can probably output 1200 watts or more as a max. Yet AC can out climb him on all the big mountains. Don't know exact weights but AC is probably around 130-135 pounds. GH more like 170-175. And their bikes are probably within a few ounces of each other. Meaning that AC's bike is a larger percentage of his weight. Still GH is carrying that extra 35-40 pounds up every hill and that takes a lot of extra power and increases the power requirements very fast as the hill starts to get over a 4-5% grade.
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