Contador banned two years!
02-06-12, 10:32 AM
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02-06-12, 10:35 AM
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02-06-12, 10:37 AM
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But why did it take 18 months to do all this? Shame on the Spanish cycling federation.
02-06-12, 10:46 AM
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eh, does he have to give back any of the money he earned? If not, then it's really just a 6 month penalty. At this point, it's such old news I couldn't really care. Felt the same way (no matter which way the result came back) when I heard about LA a couple weeks back.
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Horrible for the sport. If no result is ever final, there is little point to watching the event.
The powers-that-be have got to find a way to conclude this stuff within a few days of the finish -- the fewer the better. The multi-year process leaves far too much room for politics and money to alter the outcomes. And coming in second (with the accompanying lack of scrutiny) appears to be the best way to end up the winner!
The powers-that-be have got to find a way to conclude this stuff within a few days of the finish -- the fewer the better. The multi-year process leaves far too much room for politics and money to alter the outcomes. And coming in second (with the accompanying lack of scrutiny) appears to be the best way to end up the winner!
02-06-12, 11:40 AM
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If you read the summary, it is clear that the tainted meat defense was bogus. In point 16 of the material facts it is stated that WADA found clenbuterol in a sample of Contador's blood taken on the MORNING OF JULY 20, before he claims to have eaten the beef. So case closed... he doped and got caught.
02-06-12, 11:47 AM
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If you read the summary, it is clear that the tainted meat defense was bogus. In point 16 of the material facts it is stated that WADA found clenbuterol in a sample of Contador's blood taken on the MORNING OF JULY 20, before he claims to have eaten the beef. So case closed... he doped and got caught.
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02-06-12, 12:20 PM
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In my mind, what looks worse for the Spanish Cycling Federation are points 25, 26 and 27 under section III of the report where in says they proposed the 1 year ban (25), Contador refused the ban (26) so they exonerated him (27). It reads as though they were doing what their golden boy wanted.
02-06-12, 12:55 PM
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I said this elsewhere: AC can beat the Schleck's but he can't beat his meat!
02-06-12, 02:03 PM
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Seems silly to consider that he's "served time" and that the remaining 6 months is all the time he'll be away from competition. If he hadn't competed over the last year and a half, that would be one thing...but he competed and teams developed strategies to combat AC in the peloton.
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02-06-12, 02:04 PM
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I wish he had taken the first deal. It sucks for the sport and I blame everyone involved for letting it get to this point. It's over. Let him serve his suspension and come back strong. He'll continue to dominate, he's that good. I still respect the guy, he's matured before my eyes. This one black mark will be a distant memory in a few years. If Andy or Cadel wins the TDF they'll still wish that Contador had been there. Looking forward to the season. Cheers
02-06-12, 03:30 PM
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i wouldn't bet the house on it...if anything, i think it'll be worse...just like the power vacuum after armstrong retired. a bunch of lesser riders with
clearly less talent than contador trying to take 'the next step up.' i fear we may have another floyd landis situation....hopefully not.
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02-06-12, 03:33 PM
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He'll continue to dominate, he's that good. I still respect the guy, he's matured before my eyes. This one black mark will be a distant memory in a few years. If Andy or Cadel wins the TDF they'll still wish that Contador had been there. Looking forward to the season. Cheers
But, he won TdF in 2007 by just 23 seconds after Rasmussen was kicked out. He did crush it in 2009. He won 2010 by only 39 seconds, taking the yellow after Schleck had chain problems and now Contador has been stripped of that win. He was not really a factor in 2011 other than that the competition thought he would be a factor. I don't think the 2012 TdF winner will really care whether or not Alberto is racing.
02-06-12, 03:35 PM
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i do think contador will come back in this year's vuelta and absolutely crush it, winning by 7 minutes +.
02-06-12, 03:44 PM
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I'm just shocked that tainted meat defense didn't work out for him. Seemed like a winner. 
02-06-12, 04:14 PM
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Sadly Contador- the strongest rider, wont be in the TDf this year. I don't think Cadel would've won it over AC this year. Andy had a perfect tour last year, no crashes and following Cancellara wheel, but still cound'nt win the tour. And to say Contador took advantage of AS mechanical last year is crap because AC was on the deffensive at that point, so he did'nt need to "add" to the 36 senconds but "defend" it
02-06-12, 04:27 PM
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Questions:
The decision was based on that they couldn't find any evidence
that the trace PEDs came from contaminated meat, right?
Yet, was there any evidence that he knowingly took PED's?
Has anybody even accused him of taking PED's?
Were there any witnesses?
Don't get me wrong. If he did, he did it.
But I've never seen anybody convicted on "negative evidence" before.
I think this will be his response to those that banned him.
The decision was based on that they couldn't find any evidence
that the trace PEDs came from contaminated meat, right?
Yet, was there any evidence that he knowingly took PED's?
Has anybody even accused him of taking PED's?
Were there any witnesses?
Don't get me wrong. If he did, he did it.
But I've never seen anybody convicted on "negative evidence" before.
I think this will be his response to those that banned him.
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02-06-12, 04:44 PM
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Answers to those questions and more interesting analysis is here:
https://inrng.com/2012/02/contador-cas-verdict/
You have to be joking about the negative evidence. It's a zero-tolerance substance. Any of it found is a ban. He offered reasons as to why it was there and the reasons were totally unwound.
Which leaves the strong possibility that he doped. That's the reason for the 2 year ban. They have found actual tainted meat before in these cases and the punishments have been lighter than 2 years. (I don't know if it has ever gotten someone completely off the hook.)
https://inrng.com/2012/02/contador-cas-verdict/
You have to be joking about the negative evidence. It's a zero-tolerance substance. Any of it found is a ban. He offered reasons as to why it was there and the reasons were totally unwound.
Which leaves the strong possibility that he doped. That's the reason for the 2 year ban. They have found actual tainted meat before in these cases and the punishments have been lighter than 2 years. (I don't know if it has ever gotten someone completely off the hook.)
02-06-12, 04:46 PM
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Questions:
The decision was based on that they couldn't find any evidence
that the trace PEDs came from contaminated meat, right?
Yet, was there any evidence that he knowingly took PED's?
Has anybody even accused him of taking PED's?
Were there any witnesses?
Don't get me wrong. If he did, he did it.
But I've never seen anybody convicted on "negative evidence" before.
I think this will be his response to those that banned him.
The decision was based on that they couldn't find any evidence
that the trace PEDs came from contaminated meat, right?
Yet, was there any evidence that he knowingly took PED's?
Has anybody even accused him of taking PED's?
Were there any witnesses?
Don't get me wrong. If he did, he did it.
But I've never seen anybody convicted on "negative evidence" before.
I think this will be his response to those that banned him.