bellweatherman

An investigation in Italy has uncovered a huge paper trail linking Dr. Michele Ferrari to Lance Armstrong after Armstrong claimed he was no longer consulting with Dr. Ferrari. Dr. Ferrari had been previously been convicted of supplying EPO, steroids, and other performance-enhancing drugs to athletes. His sentence was suspended due to no prior criminal convictions. However, the courts mandated that he stop working with athletes due to evidence showing he supplied illegal ergogenic aids to numerous professional cyclists.

Lance Armstrong who once worked with Dr. Ferrari claims he cut professional ties with the dope doctor in 2004. However, investigators in Italy today released evidence that large sums of money was transferred to Dr. Ferrari in 2006 from Armstrong. The doctor could potentially lose his medical registration rights in Italy.

News report concerning Armstrong payment detailing investigation by Italian authorities -
https://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...i-in-2006.aspx

ultraman6970

Well looks like Lance's management company owned money to him, bonus money and that's what could be. If its true I doubt it is a problem. Cant remember were i read that today sorry can't show the link.

Old Town

What will the LanceLovers say after he's fully exposed and doing jail time for something drug related? Wouldn't it be elegant if a sweet federal charge with real big-boy jail time could be pinned on D-bag for his Postal Service crimes?

Every time I think of how the LL's tell me he was clean I have to catch my breath. Honestly, I have to grab some air. They actually think this saddle sore beat all the other world's top juicers with a clean bloodstream. How does a person arrive at such an absurd conclusion? I understand idol worship, but this blind loyalty to D-bag Pharmstrong is truly amazing.

LemondFanForeve

Lol, spot on. I have to admit, its nice to see so much silence from the LL's on the board, now that their golden boys been busted.

Old Town

LeMond Fan, don't get too excited. I feel the same way about your boy too. LeMond had to have "help" to beat all those other cheaters in his day. Especially after he took a load of birdshot in his back. Mortal men cannot make that kind of comeback. The edge LeMond had for a good long time after the shooting was his legal access to steroids and other drugs that have performance enhancing benefits. He could use lots of good stuff for quite a time after the shooting incident. You can't make me believe his use of junk ended when he was healed. He might have stopped using the legal prescription stuff his doctors prescribed but he continued on with the illegal usage.

He had to use in order to succeed against all the rest of the PED pelaton.

bellweatherman

Another thread hijack by Old Town, and LemondFanForeve. The thread is about Dr. Ferrari, Lance Armstrong, and the UCI, but yet again another thread successfully derailed and taken off topic by these users. The tactic and hate for Greg Lemond is palpable.

Bacciagalupe

Back on topic....

I'm not entirely sure this new info, at least in this nascent stage, qualifies as a smoking gun. It's already known that Armstrong was working with Ferrari, and making payments -- even huge ones -- in 2006, when Armstrong was retired.

My guess is that if Armstrong was doping, evidence like medical records by a doping doctor is probably the only way it would ever be proven. At the same time, I suspect that if such evidence existed, it was destroyed years ago. The saga continues.

danlikes

AUSTIN, TX -- June 13, 2012 -- I have been notified that USADA, an organization largely funded by taxpayer dollars but governed only by self-written rules, intends to again dredge up discredited allegations dating back more than 16 years to prevent me from competing as a triathlete and try and strip me of the seven Tour de France victories I earned. These are the very same charges and the same witnesses that the Justice Department chose not to pursue after a two-year investigation. These charges are baseless, motivated by spite and advanced through testimony bought and paid for by promises of anonymity and immunity. Although USADA alleges a wide-ranging conspiracy extended over more than 16 years, I am the only athlete it has chosen to charge. USADA’s malice, its methods, its star-chamber practices, and its decision to punish first and adjudicate later all are at odds with our ideals of fairness and fair play.

I have never doped, and, unlike many of my accusers, I have competed as an endurance athlete for 25 years with no spike in performance, passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed one. That USADA ignores this fundamental distinction and charges me instead of the admitted dopers says far more about USADA, its lack of fairness and this vendetta than it does about my guilt or innocence.

Found on his website. https://www.lancearmstrong.com/news-e...ada-allegation

Old Town

Bell: Time for me to 'fess up. I'm a paid supporter of Lance Armstrong and tour the various bike forums muddying the waters. I live a life of absolute luxury down here in Key West watching lovely girls all day long while drinking myself half blind.

Lance has made this all possible for me.

There. I said it.

Bacciagalupe

This thread's news is from a completely different investigation into Dr Ferrari, run by Italian police.

Again, today's news may not mean anything. But last week's denials have nothing to do with investigations into Ferrari.

danlikes

"I have never doped, and, unlike many of my accusers, I have competed as an endurance athlete for 25 years with no spike in performance, passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed one. That USADA ignores this fundamental distinction and charges me instead of the admitted dopers says far more about USADA, its lack of fairness and this vendetta than it does about my guilt or innocence."

I think this statement applies, I find it interesting that some guys come in the sport and with in a few years are at the same level as lance, pop on a pee test. Where as he has spent a life time training his body. He was a triathlete when he was a kid, and never stopped striving to be better.
"

LemondFanForeve

AGAIN Mr. Broken Record: please cite your source? you dont have one do you, please post said evidence/proof you have that Lemond doped please...many people here are waiting for it, and your credibility is as well.

LemondFanForeve

Actually, I was agreeing with you, it was Old Town who threadjacked

Old Town

I could almost hear the hysterical pitch in your voice right then. "Old Town threadjacked!"

For a moment I thought I was back in junior high school. Tell the truth, you're a 13-year-old.

reef58

Have they caught Lemond yet? I hope him and the good doctor get sentenced to the fullest extent of the law.

bellweatherman

How about we make a forum so you guys can go talk about Lemond? Oh wait. I get it. You only want to hijack threads about Lance Armstrong, and turn those into Lemond hate threads.

You people don't want others to discuss the relevant thread topic, Ferrari, Armstrong, EPO. You don't actually care about this topic. You only want to derail it so that others don't discuss it.

Shimagnolo

I just tried out the "Ignore list" feature someone mentioned the other day.
It works quite well.

bellweatherman

That does nothing to stop these threadjackers. And Armstrong's PR people know that. So, it does nothing. Nothing at all. However, the continual threadjacking is useful from the standpoint that it destroys discussion of the topic, which is the aim of a PR firm and people supportive of Armstrong like yourself. So recommendation rejected.

Old Town

Bell, do you really think me and some of the other goofballs on these threads are paid lackeys for Lance Armstrong? I like a good conspiracy too, but you seem overboard to me.

Nobody gives a rip about Lance or Greg when it comes right down to it. This is just time killing fun for normal people between internet porn and reading their email.

You need to get out the dungeon more often.

Shimagnolo

You aren't getting paid?
(Psst! Send me a PM with your contact info and I see that you get on the payroll.)

LemondFanForeve

Hats a typical Pharmstrong tactic, blame others to take the heat off yourself, they've perfected it I guess, just like their "true american icon" has.

Bacciagalupe

It doesn't mean jack.

Numerous racers have 100% clean testing records, and got busted by other means. Practically the entire Festina team was doping, and they only got caught because a soigneur was busted by police at the border with all sorts of drugs in his car. Most of Telekom used EPO, and only admitted it later. Basso never failed a test, and was busted due to evidence found by Operation Puerto. They didn't even have a test for EPO until 2000.

Denials, at best, mean nothing. Most people will deny guilt, even if the excuses are utterly beyond belief. E.g. when Tyler Hamilton got busted for blood doping, his defense included the possibility that he had a "vanishing twin" in utero that contributed foreign blood to his system... at age 34.


Most of those guys who "come into the sport" are Europeans who have been cycling from a fairly early age, are involved in training programs far more intense than what you get in the US, and also constantly "strive to be better." And lots of of pack fodder pros get nailed for doping as well -- they're just trying to hang onto their jobs as pro riders.

At this time, there's no way to know whether or not Armstrong did or did not use PED's. However, his testing record means nothing; his denials mean nothing; the performance of other riders means nothing. The only question is whether someone has dug up valid evidence of doping.

Old Town

Baccia, we got a kid on here named Lemondsomethingorother who isn't going to like you.

Not one bit. Welcome aboard.

Walter

While I doubt Lance Armstrong really cares about discussions on BikeForums these hijacks do need to stop. Until Greg LeMond becomes part of this story he doesn't need to be argued about here.

This is a Cease and Desist. Infractions will follow.

Old Town

Lance still sucks. How's that for staying on point?