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    Will Sagan make it an even 10?

    Countries that have won hte TDF since the last French winner that is!

    Or will it be the Dutch or Swiss?
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    Do you see Sagan as a GC contender? He's certainly mighty impressive, but I can't see it myself, because he doesn't seem to be much of a time-triallist; and since he's unlikely ever to be an absolutely top climber, that seems to me to rule him out. I see him as a potential monster in the Classics, though.

    To answer the rest of your question, what about Canada?

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    I think that an American, like Van Garderen or a Frenchman like Rolland or Pinot stand a better chance than Sagan.

    Sagan, however, is pretty exciting to watch.
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    Personally, if I were him I would set my sights on something more exclusive: winning all five monuments.

    I think his natural tools set is better suited to it than grand tour GC. Don't get me wrong, it would still be a long shot, but damn, only 3 others have done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    Personally, if I were him I would set my sights on something more exclusive: winning all five monuments.

    I think his natural tools set is better suited to it than grand tour GC. Don't get me wrong, it would still be a long shot, but damn, only 3 others have done it.
    I would really love to see that too. He can start with Lombardia this year. Bonus - he could do it in the rainbow jersey.

    He was also 5th in his very first Ronde... come on.
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    HE has to learn how to sprint, he lost the final stage because he was waiting open mouth drooling while cav was like 20 meters ahead of him. He has to sprint long and in the front an nobody will be able to pass him the kid is too strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraman6970 View Post
    HE has to learn how to sprint, he lost the final stage because he was waiting open mouth drooling while cav was like 20 meters ahead of him. He has to sprint long and in the front an nobody will be able to pass him the kid is too strong.
    I don't see him as a pure sprinter. In my eyes he is more like a Boonen or Hushovd. Both very fast but not in the same class as a Cavendish.
    i may have overreacted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
    I don't see him as a pure sprinter. In my eyes he is more like a Boonen or Hushovd. Both very fast but not in the same class as a Cavendish.
    I do not think Sagan is that far away from Cav as a sprinter. As mentioned, he needs more experience. Did you see the ground he made up in that final sprint in Paris to take second place? Twenty or so more meters, he'll have caught Cav.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jed19 View Post
    I do not think Sagan is that far away from Cav as a sprinter. As mentioned, he needs more experience. Did you see the ground he made up in that final sprint in Paris to take second place? Twenty or so more meters, he'll have caught Cav.
    If the finish was 20m father Cav would have timed his sprint for that point. As it was he probably went a bit early and was already fading when Sagan surged.

    And I'm a Sagan fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    If the finish was 20m father Cav would have timed his sprint for that point. As it was he probably went a bit early and was already fading when Sagan surged.

    And I'm a Sagan fan.
    Maybe.

    And Sagan had no lead-out train.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jed19 View Post
    And Sagan had no lead-out train.
    True. But I believe Nibali is leaving so unless they sign a major GC contender maybe Sagan will get some more attention this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    Personally, if I were him I would set my sights on something more exclusive: winning all five monuments.

    I think his natural tools set is better suited to it than grand tour GC. Don't get me wrong, it would still be a long shot, but damn, only 3 others have done it.
    sagan seems to have enough talent that i feel he can accomplish (eventually) whatever he targets. all 5 monuments would be fantastic. were he to attempt the conversion to a
    potential gc contender, i wouldn't bet against him. he wouldn't be the first rider to 'morph' into a different style rider a la wiggins, hincapie, laurent jalabert, et al...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    he doesn't seem to be much of a time-triallist;
    He beat Cancellara for the win at the Tour de Suisse in a solid TT

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    Quote Originally Posted by YMCA View Post
    He beat Cancellara for the win at the Tour de Suisse in a solid TT
    More of a prologue than a TT, wasn't it? Just a few Km? But you may be right, he may get better at the longer stuff.

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    Sagan could do well in the one day Classics and obviously he's a good sprinter. But he'll have to change his physique to ride well in the high mountains day after day. This all assumes he doesn't burn out or get derailed by the desire for Porsches and the opportunities to sign fans' chests.

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    Sagan for P-R, G-W, RVV. It's gonna happen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmmdonuts View Post
    Sagan for P-R, G-W, RVV. It's gonna happen!
    MSR up his alley for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    Do you see Sagan as a GC contender? He's certainly mighty impressive, but I can't see it myself, because he doesn't seem to be much of a time-triallist; and since he's unlikely ever to be an absolutely top climber, that seems to me to rule him out. I see him as a potential monster in the Classics, though.

    To answer the rest of your question, what about Canada?
    I honestly do not see himn as a GC contender for now. But I see him as having hte base ability that could make him one in 5 years or so. The traditional pattern was classics first then Tour contender later as one matures.

    I felt Sagan was a good lead in as he is in hte spotlight and he could be a GC contender in a few years. So he serves to illustrate that there is not a Frenchman who would eb expected to win before then.
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    Too soon to say, isn't it? Sagan has a ton of talent and a killer instinct- but is not going to mature into both a prolific stage racer and classic winner. If he did, we'd be talking Bernard Hinault talent- and I think that's way too much praise, for what we've seen so far. At the moment, he reminds me of Sean Kelly.

    Definitely one of the most interesting storylines for the next five years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
    I don't see him as a pure sprinter. In my eyes he is more like a Boonen or Hushovd. Both very fast but not in the same class as a Cavendish.

    This 100%

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    He reminds me more of Bettini.
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    Same thing was said of Cancellara for years. If he transforms himself into a grand tour GC rider, his performance in the classics & sprints will suffer. Why change something now that he is best at? Doubt his trainer or DS would encourage that. But apparently most cycling fans think less of someone who is not trying to make themselves a GC contender no matter how good they are in other areas.

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    So when is Cav going stop effing around and transform himself into a gc contender?

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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    So when is Cav going stop effing around and transform himself into a gc contender?
    ha
    when pigs fly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YMCA View Post
    ha
    when pigs fly?
    He lost some weight this year.

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