Surprise! Cav Leaving Sky
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Surprise! Cav Leaving Sky
Looks like Cav is not getting the support he wanted, and is looking to amicably move somewhere else. I guess Sky's other ambitions do not allow them to build an entire team around a sprinter.
So, any thoughts on what team is willing or likely to become HTC Mark II?
So, any thoughts on what team is willing or likely to become HTC Mark II?
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Thats not like a surprise, the rumor has been around for a while now but the issue the other teams have is that he is under a 2 years contract and if a team wants him right now, they need to buy the contract and pretty much is not a thing of just go and write a check of 1 million pounds you know. So pretty much only a few teams could afford the guy.
I was Cav i would just stay were I'm, quiet, good team and win races old style with no support or anything. That would increase my value and after all, is clear that he can win w/o any support. Cav only wants to win and since he is not the star no more he wants to leave, i don't blame him but is a little bit (or a lot) of selfishness involved in his person. After all is impossible to win everything.
I was Cav i would just stay were I'm, quiet, good team and win races old style with no support or anything. That would increase my value and after all, is clear that he can win w/o any support. Cav only wants to win and since he is not the star no more he wants to leave, i don't blame him but is a little bit (or a lot) of selfishness involved in his person. After all is impossible to win everything.
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This is good news for us, people who like watching bike races, in my opinion. Like him or not, it's fun watching him have a go as often as possible.
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Originally Posted by ultraman6970
...the issue the other teams have is that he is under a 2 years contract... pretty much only a few teams could afford the guy.
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I was Cav i would just stay were I'm, quiet, good team and win races old style with no support or anything. That would increase my value and after all, is clear that he can win w/o any support. Cav only wants to win and since he is not the star no more he wants to leave, i don't blame him but is a little bit (or a lot) of selfishness involved in his person. After all is impossible to win everything.
I'm not a fan of his personality, but I can say I've seen him support the team & act like a domestique on a lot of climbing stages. I don't think he's being selfish, rather he's being ambitious, and doesn't want to compete for resources against top GC riders.
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Yeah, I was being a tad sarcastic.
True, though supposedly Cav is pushing for them to cut or waive that fee. I'd assume they could figure out a way to trade a rider or two as part of that.
His value is already about as high as it's going to get. He can't keep up this level of fitness forever.
I'm not a fan of his personality, but I can say I've seen him support the team & act like a domestique on a lot of climbing stages. I don't think he's being selfish, rather he's being ambitious, and doesn't want to compete for resources against top GC riders.
True, though supposedly Cav is pushing for them to cut or waive that fee. I'd assume they could figure out a way to trade a rider or two as part of that.
His value is already about as high as it's going to get. He can't keep up this level of fitness forever.
I'm not a fan of his personality, but I can say I've seen him support the team & act like a domestique on a lot of climbing stages. I don't think he's being selfish, rather he's being ambitious, and doesn't want to compete for resources against top GC riders.
He is not my favorite guy as far as personality but allot of top performers are similar in that they are not made for TV. I sure like seeing his burst which is quite amazing.
It is tough to win green unsupported and he deserves that chance
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Not to highjack the thread with talk of Froome, but I think Sky overdid it this year with him. Olympics, three Grand Tours, last one with expectation to win (to podium at the minimum). If Tour of Britain were not to start on the day of Vuelta finish, I would not put it past Sky to toss Froome on the bike again and order him to ride.
Cav did a lot of growing up this season. Sometimes listening him talk and watching him fetching bottles I wanted to ask myself - "Who the heck are you and were did you bury real Cav?" Sky should do right by him, he brings imaginative independent human side to the sled team.
Cav did a lot of growing up this season. Sometimes listening him talk and watching him fetching bottles I wanted to ask myself - "Who the heck are you and were did you bury real Cav?" Sky should do right by him, he brings imaginative independent human side to the sled team.
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Not to highjack the thread with talk of Froome, but I think Sky overdid it this year with him. Olympics, three Grand Tours, last one with expectation to win (to podium at the minimum). If Tour of Britain were not to start on the day of Vuelta finish, I would not put it past Sky to toss Froome on the bike again and order him to ride.
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supposedly they're just going waive his last year and let him go. i'm curious as to where he could go, or where he is needed, so to speak. he'd make things interesting with rabobank and they have deep pockets. mark renshaw and theo bos leading cav out would be lethal.
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Huh? Froome didn't ride the Giro, and Cav didn't ride the Vuelta. I don't think anybody from Sky rode all three...
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I don't believe that any of the top teams, which are the only one's that can afford him, will fully support him as he wants to be. Those teams are more inclined toward top GC finishes with their support going to the all-arounders, whereas the green jersey is more of a sideshow to them.
Cav might be a victim of his own sprinting greatness...
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Mark Renshaw spent an entire season being supported by a lead-out train and has, one win? I think the Mark & Mark show should go back on Tour.
If Argos-Shimano could afford Cav, having Degenkolb as a lead-out would be insane, and Degenkolb could probably still take the tougher, uphill sprints for himself. They're the only team I can think of with basically zero GC ambitions.
I don't think Garmin-Sharp could afford him either, maybe so, but Farrar would make a better lead out man than he does a sprinter I think.
If Argos-Shimano could afford Cav, having Degenkolb as a lead-out would be insane, and Degenkolb could probably still take the tougher, uphill sprints for himself. They're the only team I can think of with basically zero GC ambitions.
I don't think Garmin-Sharp could afford him either, maybe so, but Farrar would make a better lead out man than he does a sprinter I think.
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Mark Renshaw spent an entire season being supported by a lead-out train and has, one win? I think the Mark & Mark show should go back on Tour.
If Argos-Shimano could afford Cav, having Degenkolb as a lead-out would be insane, and Degenkolb could probably still take the tougher, uphill sprints for himself. They're the only team I can think of with basically zero GC ambitions.
If Argos-Shimano could afford Cav, having Degenkolb as a lead-out would be insane, and Degenkolb could probably still take the tougher, uphill sprints for himself. They're the only team I can think of with basically zero GC ambitions.
This will come down to money.
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Orica is a dedicated sprint and single day team.
Goss may be miffed, but if there is a team out there that could dedicate it's entire squad to Cav, Green Edge would be it.
Goss may be miffed, but if there is a team out there that could dedicate it's entire squad to Cav, Green Edge would be it.
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Farrar couldnt find the front of a sprint with a map. Bernie, renshaw and cav at rabo sounds good to me
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BTW - dumping Levi free'd up the cash needed rather quickly. Wonder what it cost to buy out Sky's contract?
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Tygart cries "omerta", but seems to me it just as likely Levi's sacking was a "salary-dump" to get Cav.
But since the climate currently allows for easy conclusions, it's no surprise Tygart would cry it was "the classic omerta move."
But since the climate currently allows for easy conclusions, it's no surprise Tygart would cry it was "the classic omerta move."
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Originally Posted by omega pharma quickstep press release
Statement from Omega Pharma - Quick-Step
Omega Pharma - Quick-Step Cycling Team announces that the contract with Mr. Leipheimer has been terminated, effective immediately.
We commend the rider for his open co-operation with USADA and contribution to cleaning up the sport of cycling. However, in the light of the disclosures made by Mr. Leipheimer in his public statement on 10th of October the team has decided to terminate the contract. This decision has the full support of the team owner, the board represented by Mr Bessel Kok and team manager Mr Patrick Lefevere.
Omega Pharma - Quick-Step Cycling Team announces that the contract with Mr. Leipheimer has been terminated, effective immediately.
We commend the rider for his open co-operation with USADA and contribution to cleaning up the sport of cycling. However, in the light of the disclosures made by Mr. Leipheimer in his public statement on 10th of October the team has decided to terminate the contract. This decision has the full support of the team owner, the board represented by Mr Bessel Kok and team manager Mr Patrick Lefevere.
Originally Posted by levi leipheimer public statement on 10th october
Why I Doped - Wall Street Journal
...I admit that I used banned substances...
...I admit that I used banned substances...
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if your take from the press release is that levi was released to dump salary for cav, then you are insane and/or confused. it literally says he was released for admitting to doping in his past. this isn't that hard to grasp.
you can speculate all you want on ulterior motives of the team, but criticizing tygart for justifiably assuming that the press release was honest is a desperate move on your part.
oh yeah, tygart being right on anything completely disrupts your preconceived tygart-is-the-bad-guy-who-busted-lance universe.
you can speculate all you want on ulterior motives of the team, but criticizing tygart for justifiably assuming that the press release was honest is a desperate move on your part.
oh yeah, tygart being right on anything completely disrupts your preconceived tygart-is-the-bad-guy-who-busted-lance universe.
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It isn't uncommon for a pro sports team to say one thing and mean another, or both even. That they'd want to make salary room and/or toss Levi as over the hill/under performing/requiring a different team structure than Cav is also not difficult to envision.
That they can do so while just claiming morals makes it easier to do.
That they can do so while just claiming morals makes it easier to do.
if your take from the press release is that levi was released to dump salary for cav, then you are insane and/or confused. it literally says he was released for admitting to doping in his past. this isn't that hard to grasp.
you can speculate all you want on ulterior motives of the team, but criticizing tygart for justifiably assuming that the press release was honest is a desperate move on your part.
oh yeah, tygart being right on anything completely disrupts your preconceived tygart-is-the-bad-guy-who-busted-lance universe.
you can speculate all you want on ulterior motives of the team, but criticizing tygart for justifiably assuming that the press release was honest is a desperate move on your part.
oh yeah, tygart being right on anything completely disrupts your preconceived tygart-is-the-bad-guy-who-busted-lance universe.