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Young Version 04-05-13 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 15467368)
Honestly, are we all a bunch of constipated blue-hairs?

He is 23 y/o, young, lot of growing up to do, and doing it in the glare of top-level pro cycling. Thank goodness the stupid things I did at that age weren't endlessly dissected by a bunch of armchair moralists.

Like lots of 23 year olds, he'll make mistakes. He's smart enough to only make each mistake once.

In the 99.9% of the time that he is not making mistakes, he's an exciting rider. He has power, can climb, can sprint, needs to develop some TT, needs to learn tactics. I'm enjoying watching his journey.

Agreed. He was just about the only entertaining rider in the 2012 TDF...this was a mistake, but he has a lot of growing up to do.

letitsnow 04-06-13 07:25 AM

The real question in my mind is how can anybody stand there without grabbing that? And I'm 41...

Zinger 04-06-13 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by letitsnow (Post 15476679)
The real question in my mind is how can anybody stand there without grabbing that? And I'm 41...

Lol.

Maybe us 62 year olds should just stfu

Bontrager 04-07-13 09:41 AM

But if it was a girl grabbing another girls ass on the podium, it's alright..... right????

Spartannia 04-07-13 03:33 PM

Love him.

Not condoning the groping incident at all, that was definitely a huge error in judgment on his part. But the way he rides is incredibly entertaining.

Keith99 04-08-13 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by baj32161 (Post 15461224)
I would think that he would show more class and respect on the podium. I may be old school, but this just doesn't sit well with me.

So what do you think about Anquetil and Coppi?

Zinger 04-08-13 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith99 (Post 15485348)
So what do you think about Anquetil and Coppi?

That's exactly what came to mind when they were talking about Sagan autographing some girl's breast

How long has this been going on?

Cat4Lifer 04-08-13 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith99 (Post 15485348)
So what do you think about Anquetil and Coppi?

Clearly, they, just like Sagan, are "new school" misogynists.

sci_femme 04-08-13 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinger (Post 15485517)
That's exactly what came to mind when they were talking about Sagan autographing some girl's breast

How long has this been going on?

There is a difference - on the book cover the girl happily offered and Anquetil happily obliged. Here JA gave fans exactly what they wanted, even if it pushed the boundaries of good taste. In my book it's raucous joke taken uncomfortably public.

Last year the girl had a piece of paper to sign and got an unwelcome mural across her chest. In my book it borderlines on assault.

Ferrous Bueller 04-08-13 06:45 PM

^This has gone a bit off track.
I think Keith99 brought up Coppi and Anquetil because of the questionable morality of some of their romantic entanglements.
Coppi, though married, went after another man's wife.
Anquetil maintained a menage a trois with his wife, and wife's daughter.

Highgear 04-09-13 10:35 AM

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Look what he started!............. She can pinch mine any time.http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=309556

Ferrous Bueller 04-09-13 11:07 AM

^Uneven playing field!
Shouldn't the women at least get hunky guys to do that to?

Keith99 04-09-13 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferrous Bueller (Post 15486793)
^This has gone a bit off track.
I think Keith99 brought up Coppi and Anquetil because of the questionable morality of some of their romantic entanglements.
Coppi, though married, went after another man's wife.
Anquetil maintained a menage a trois with his wife, and wife's daughter.

Bingo. Glad to see someone know those bits of history.

Interestingly Anquetil was rather disliked, for other reasons, and Coppi seems to have been worshipped.

chasm54 04-09-13 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith99 (Post 15489442)
Bingo. Glad to see someone know those bits of history.

Interestingly Anquetil was rather disliked, for other reasons, and Coppi seems to have been worshipped.

Actually, Coppi's affair seriously dented his popularity. Until then he had been worshipped. Leaving his wife lost him a lot of support. He was never as great a hero again until his early death sanctified him once more.

cthenn 04-09-13 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sci_femme (Post 15486681)
There is a difference - on the book cover the girl happily offered and Anquetil happily obliged. Here JA gave fans exactly what they wanted, even if it pushed the boundaries of good taste. In my book it's raucous joke taken uncomfortably public.

Last year the girl had a piece of paper to sign and got an unwelcome mural across her chest. In my book it borderlines on assault.

Still looking for the part where the girl slaps Sagan's hand, or isn't smiling, finding the whole thing amusing.

cthenn 04-09-13 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Highgear (Post 15489087)
Look what he started!............. She can pinch mine any time.http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=309556

Glad some people get it.

chasm54 04-09-13 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cthenn (Post 15489587)
Glad some people get it.

But not you, apparently.

Cat4Lifer 04-09-13 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cthenn (Post 15489583)
Still looking for the part where the girl slaps Sagan's hand, or isn't smiling, finding the whole thing amusing.

that wont matter a bit...
there are those who are determined to have the heart-attack they think she should have had

iBiker 04-09-13 08:51 PM

Like the celebrations! If Cancellara and the girl don't care, why should it bother anyone else? If it does, he should apologize. Should the team reprimand him or cycling fine him? Go ahead, but in my opinion that would be like giving the middle finger to a bad driver...it won't change a thing.

As for T-shirt? Nope, don't dig that, but that's just like my opinion, man. Live and let live! Vive le tour!

cthenn 04-10-13 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chasm54 (Post 15489686)
But not you, apparently.

You're right, I have no idea wtf you are talking about. Random comment is random.

Commodus 04-10-13 11:21 AM

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/...ncident_281536

Good thing Sagan has better people around him than some of the dullards on this forum.

Jed19 04-10-13 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Commodus (Post 15494142)
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/...ncident_281536

Good thing Sagan has better people around him than some of the dullards on this forum.

Yep! A nice thing to do.

Keith99 04-10-13 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by iBiker (Post 15491976)
Like the celebrations! If Cancellara and the girl don't care, why should it bother anyone else? If it does, he should apologize. Should the team reprimand him or cycling fine him? Go ahead, but in my opinion that would be like giving the middle finger to a bad driver...it won't change a thing.

As for T-shirt? Nope, don't dig that, but that's just like my opinion, man. Live and let live! Vive le tour!

Someone already mentioned photoshop. The picture with the t-shirt looks like a very amateur photoshop job.

I'm not going to blame anyone for a 'picture' like that one.

Commodus 04-10-13 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith99 (Post 15495046)
Someone already mentioned photoshop. The picture with the t-shirt looks like a very amateur photoshop job.

I'm not going to blame anyone for a 'picture' like that one.

There are at least two pictures of him wearing the same shirt, both of which were widely disseminated. Neither Sagan nor anyone from his 'camp' ever denied it.

I think it's very unlikely it's a photoshop job.

I also don't give two craps what he wears.

Jed19 04-10-13 02:51 PM

I don't think there was any photoshop job. It all just all fitted nicely to point in the same direction. Grabbing a$$ (uncalled for), signing boobs/cleavage (when all what he was offered to sign was a piece of paper) and that obnoxious t-shirt.

Anyway, I think he's young and kinda immature, and hopefully has been talked to by advisors regarding decorum.

Really glad he apologized to that girl. And publicly too. It was the right thing to do.


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