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Old 04-07-13, 01:39 PM   #26
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What a great show by Vanmarcke...had the legs until that very last turn. He looked very disappointed.
He definitely made Fabu dig deep... collapsing at the finish line is a good sign of a hard fight. That was one of the best classic finishes I've seen in a long time.
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Some of the crowd antics were unbelievable! They've got to give the riders room over on the side of the course.

What a great show by Vanmarcke...had the legs until that very last turn. He looked very disappointed.
The guy I feel sorry for is Stybar (OPQ) who got clipped by someone with a camera with 14.7km to go. He barely managed to stay upright. Up till then he was doing magnificently, managing to hold Cancellara's wheel.

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If Phinney won I would lose my sh*t in front of my computer. It'd be akin to this

I think he's a little young for Paris-Roubaix though. Still needs to forge the muscles and mind a few more years.
You're right, lol.
He was too eager too early this time.

Great finish except my feed froze up as soon as they hit the velodrome.

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What a great show by Vanmarcke...had the legs until that very last turn. He looked very disappointed.
Agreed, however, am I the only one that thought Vanmarke stopped pedaling at the run to the line when Fabian overtook him for the win?

It really looked like he had the win and then inexplicably stopped pedaling for 3 or 4 strokes and enabled Cancellara to pass him for the win. I mean, you pedal hard for 6 hrs. and then the only time you stop is at the very end? I don't know, maybe I was seeing things...
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Agreed, however, am I the only one that thought Vanmarke stopped pedaling at the run to the line when Fabian overtook him for the win?

It really looked like he had the win and then inexplicably stopped pedaling for 3 or 4 strokes and enabled Cancellara to pass him for the win. I mean, you pedal hard for 6 hrs. and then the only time you stop is at the very end? I don't know, maybe I was seeing things...
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought this. I couldn't decide if he saw Fabo pull ahead of him and knew the race was lost and thus stopped, completely ran out of gas physically and/or mentally, or something else.
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The French end footage includes a helicopter shot.
It's odd that Vanmarcke quit pedaling when it was so close, but he was definitely slower and behind when he did so.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought this. I couldn't decide if he saw Fabo pull ahead of him and knew the race was lost and thus stopped, completely ran out of gas physically and/or mentally, or something else.
I believe that Vanmarke was actually ahead of Cancellara when he stopped pedaling, so I think your first thought can't be right. However, your second point could be right, although IMHO, you just don't run out of gas in sight of the finish in a race this big. But, you know Cancellara did a lot of talking with the young Vanmarke on those last kilometers, so...who knows what they talked about...

And in truth, I'm quite a big Cancellara fan, so I would hate to think the fix was in here...
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Holy crap what a race! Fabian is a BOSS! *THE* boss! Crossing gaps all day long, after having crashed during the week between winning Flanders and this race...my freaking hero! I've never been so excited watching a bike race, and I started this thread thinking it would be a ride in the park for him. Major kudos to Vanmarcke, and Quick Step. QS got the shaft with the fans, but I don't know what you can do. The fans think they are clear of the "road" but these guys want to ride in the shoulders where it's not so rough. The fans often times are a problem, but in this race, it's no one's fault really, just bad luck.

But anyway, Fabian Cancellara...what a bike racer!
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I believe that Vanmarke was actually ahead of Cancellara when he stopped pedaling, so I think your first thought can't be right. However, your second point could be right, although IMHO, you just don't run out of gas in sight of the finish in a race this big. But, you know Cancellara did a lot of talking with the young Vanmarke on those last kilometers, so...who knows what they talked about...

And in truth, I'm quite a big Cancellara fan, so I would hate to think the fix was in here...

LOL, what a ludicrous statement! Yeah, a pro rider is willing to purposefully lose arguably the biggest one-day race in the world...for what? Money? From the security of my sofa in America, watching a race in France on my TV, I can say with 100% certainty there was no fix to the end of that race. There's a bigger chance Lance Armstrong was clean for his whole career than this race was fixed.
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^Um. Bike race fixing might be the second easiest sport to fix after boxing.
I don't think it happened here, but it has happened before.
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I never said it wasn't easy, but why even go there? I see the Tinfoil Hat Brigade is out in full force today.
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Really great race, great effort by Vanmarcke, Stybar, and Vandenbergh I was really hoping one of them would be able to beat out Cancellra. I was shocked how badly omega pharma got screwed by the crowd, vandenbergh's wreck looked especially painful as he slid over the cobbles. One can only wonder what would have happened if Boonen was riding, I think he would have taken it.
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The French end footage includes a helicopter shot.
It's odd that Vanmarcke quit pedaling when it was so close, but he was definitely slower and behind when he did so.
This, he already realized that cancellara was blowing by, so keeping in the motion of pedaling would mean nothing.
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Vanmarcke wanted it, you could see it in every fiber of his body language. I think he realized he'd blown it when Cancellara went wide with 30m to go.

I'd bet real American money that Fabu never had to pay for a victory.
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LOL, what a ludicrous statement! Yeah, a pro rider is willing to purposefully lose arguably the biggest one-day race in the world...for what? Money? From the security of my sofa in America, watching a race in France on my TV, I can say with 100% certainty there was no fix to the end of that race. There's a bigger chance Lance Armstrong was clean for his whole career than this race was fixed.
Your naivety is rather startling...
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After watching it a few more times I suspect that Vanmarcke could see Fabian's speed out of the corner of his eye and in a split second realized that he was going to get beaten to the line.
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After watching it a few more times I suspect that Vanmarcke could see Fabian's speed out of the corner of his eye and in a split second realized that he was going to get beaten to the line.
You guys could certainly be right, and I really want you to be right, but I think you see what I was talking about. I just wanted to bring it up to see if I were the only one that thought the finish might not have been kosher. Glad the consensus is that it was a good finish.

I am a big Cancellara fan. I have a poster of his I use for motivation hanging next to my bikes in the garage...
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After watching it a few more times I suspect that Vanmarcke could see Fabian's speed out of the corner of his eye and in a split second realized that he was going to get beaten to the line.
Possible... but would you go down fighting or coasting?

I was plenty surprised at how often he pulled on the last few kms to the velodrome. He was obviously confident, and still strong but I think it was his doom.
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You guys could certainly be right, and I really want you to be right, but I think you see what I was talking about. I just wanted to bring it up to see if I were the only one that thought the finish might not have been kosher. Glad the consensus is that it was a good finish.

I am a big Cancellara fan. I have a poster of his I use for motivation hanging next to my bikes in the garage...
No doubt, there are often "agreements" in bike racing, but they usually happen in circumstances where ther is some mutual benefit. (such as if you don't attack and drop me, I'll sit up for 2nd, etc.)

Here, Vanmarcke was going to be second at worst, so there's nothing in it for Vanmarcke to not sprint.

And if it was fixed, Vanmarcke would have to be a bad actor, if he's taking a dive, he'd soft pedal instead of stopping pedaling.
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There was no fix. I saw where Vanmarcke was being consoled by someone after the race, and he had tears in his eyes. I think he was just spent and Spartacus also kinda overwhelmed him at the velodrome with experience.
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LOL, what a ludicrous statement! Yeah, a pro rider is willing to purposefully lose arguably the biggest one-day race in the world...for what? Money? From the security of my sofa in America, watching a race in France on my TV, I can say with 100% certainty there was no fix to the end of that race. There's a bigger chance Lance Armstrong was clean for his whole career than this race was fixed.
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No doubt, there are often "agreements" in bike racing, but they usually happen in circumstances where ther is some mutual benefit. (such as if you don't attack and drop me, I'll sit up for 2nd, etc.)
In a 2-man break, the agreement is frequently to swap prize money - Winner gets the trophy but gives the prize money to the second place guy, winner gets the 2nd place purse. That way there's more incentive to work together and not get caught, and losing is a little bit more palatable.

Paris-Roubaix's prize structure isn't so heavily weighted to the winner though.
The following prizes are awarded:
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[TD]30, 000[/TD]
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[TD]2[SUP]nd[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]22, 000[/TD]
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[TD]15, 000[/TD]
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[TD]4[SUP]th[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]7, 500[/TD]
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[TD]5[SUP]th[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]3, 200[/TD]
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[TD]6[SUP]th[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]1, 700[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]7[SUP]th[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]1, 500[/TD]
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[TR="class: fondLigneTable"]
[TD]8[SUP]th[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]1, 300[/TD]
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[TD]9[SUP]th[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]1, 200[/TD]
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^But that doesn't doesn't tell the whole story. The endorsement and fame potential are much more weighted to the winner. This is how the sponsors and fans remember the race:
The following prizes are awarded:
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[TD]poor sucker[/TD]
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[TD]some guy[/TD]
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[TD]4[SUP]th[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]some guy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[SUP]th[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]some guy[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]6[SUP]th[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]some guy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[SUP]th[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]some guy[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]8[SUP]th[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]some guy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[SUP]th[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]some guy[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]10[SUP]th[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]some guy[/TD]
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The guy I feel sorry for is Stybar (OPQ) who got clipped by someone with a camera with 14.7km to go. He barely managed to stay upright. Up till then he was doing magnificently, managing to hold Cancellara's wheel.

Here's a video link watch the camera go flying between the motos.

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More than watching the young guy lose out at the last seconds after a great ride, this really ticked me off. It would have been great to see the three of them at the end. Could have been a very different outcome. I realize the fan element is simply part of cycling but sometimes the fans are real a-holes. I hope that guy at least has a busted fancy camera.

EDIT: I wasn't really ticked by the end. I thought it was a great end but was pulling for the underdog.

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