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sprince 06-10-13 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith99 (Post 15726681)
I'd really like to know how bad the allergy issues were for Contador.

The only thing I'm sure of is that the treatment was beyond conservative. No chances taken on using something available to all of us that might give a bad test result.

That is something we tend to forget. The standard treatments for allergies or a minor bug may not be available to these guys.

If it's typical spring allergies (tree pollen) the only thing that works well is diphenhydramine. I don't see that on the wada prohibited list, even though it's somewhat of a stimulant. But for anyone that has never suffered from this affliction, it's not like a cold, you don't feel ill, but it make it's very hard to breathe and it does tend to run you down over time. And what sucks about diphenhydramine and other allergy medications that actually do something, is that it makes you very dehydrated. I can completely understand why he prefers to just take a holiday for during spring. With the cold weather in Europe this year, it probably just delayed the allergy season for a few more weeks.

cthenn 06-10-13 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chasm54 (Post 15726551)
I don't know whether Sky are riding clean or not. If they aren't, and they are caught, the repurcussions in the UK will be colossal because Sky and British Cycling have become so intertwined, and both have invested a massive amount in proclaiming their anti-doping credentials.

But the fact that Froome and Porte can both climb and TT isn't much evidence, really. Froome is a specialist climber and an ex-mountainbiker. Top mountainbikers are often decent time-triallists, a lot of pro mtb races are similar to extended TTs. And Porte is a specialist TT man who climbs like a TT man - high-tempo, steady effort, no real explosiveness, very much following the Wiggins example. As for other specialist climbers who can TT, I might mention Contador, but...

So, I try to keep an open mind. Sky have a very big budget, it is easy for them to attract the top talent. And I agree, it's a pity that experience has taught us to be so sceptical.

The British track team was ridiculous in the Olympics as well. They made the 1990's Chinese swimmer looks like amateurs. It was TOO dominant.

lizardman84 06-17-13 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chasm54 (Post 15726551)
I don't know whether Sky are riding clean or not. If they aren't, and they are caught, the repurcussions in the UK will be colossal because Sky and British Cycling have become so intertwined, and both have invested a massive amount in proclaiming their anti-doping credentials.

But the fact that Froome and Porte can both climb and TT isn't much evidence, really. Froome is a specialist climber and an ex-mountainbiker. Top mountainbikers are often decent time-triallists, a lot of pro mtb races are similar to extended TTs. And Porte is a specialist TT man who climbs like a TT man - high-tempo, steady effort, no real explosiveness, very much following the Wiggins example. As for other specialist climbers who can TT, I might mention Contador, but...

So, I try to keep an open mind. Sky have a very big budget, it is easy for them to attract the top talent. And I agree, it's a pity that experience has taught us to be so sceptical.

i agree

ooga-booga 06-22-13 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sprince (Post 15723142)
I'm not buying any of it. Contador is a serial sandbagger, it's the same game he plays almost every year.

^this.

ooga-booga 06-22-13 02:06 PM

for froome, whom does he have besides porte for the big mountains? not really seeing it in the sky lineup. seems like a bunch of riders
suited more for getting him to the base/lower slopes of the climbs (i put nothing past ebh though). if he had uran as well, i'd feel better about
froome's chances to win it all. hoping the respective teams for some of the dangerous spaniards (purito, valverde, contador) don't lose
too much time in the team time trial because their aggressiveness would be tempered somewhat and possibly relegated for stage wins vs
the overall gc. froome also has to deal with the 1-2 punch of cuddles and tejay along with ryder/talansky/martin of garmin. should be infinitely
more interesting with the gc this year vs last. maybe *gasp* we'll even get something as exciting as this last year's vuelta. maybe...

ooga-booga 06-22-13 02:13 PM

i had questions about contador too (post-suspension) until the last week of last year's vuelta. contador is used to riding with minimal mountain
support, used to the territory of being the man, and will be verry motivated to shove all the contaminated beef talk down the collective cycling
world's throat to reclaim/reestablish his place as the best gc gt rider we've seen since hinault.

ultraman6970 06-22-13 09:03 PM

Contador is not the same than years ago, you can tell he looks like tired. Purito and valverde have the biggest hearts in the whole peloton IMO. Froom, well he is at this peak right now so who knows what will happen, IMO he will win the tour unless something weird happens. Any of the spanish trio will get to second or maybe even but who knows. Then you have Evans that apparently is coming back from the dead, who knows with him aswell.

Just waiting to see what will happens, 1 st time that I remember that the tour will be quite uncertain.

chasm54 06-23-13 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ooga-booga (Post 15771709)
for froome, whom does he have besides porte for the big mountains? not really seeing it in the sky lineup. seems like a bunch of riders
suited more for getting him to the base/lower slopes of the climbs (i put nothing past ebh though). if he had uran as well, i'd feel better about
froome's chances

I too was surprised to see them leave out the Colombians, but it's a pretty good climbing team. Lopez, Porte, EBH, Sioutsov and, especially Kennaugh. Watch out for Kennaugh, he may turn out to be the best climber Sky have got.

work4bike 06-29-13 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sprince (Post 15727922)
If it's typical spring allergies (tree pollen) the only thing that works well is diphenhydramine. I don't see that on the wada prohibited list, even though it's somewhat of a stimulant. But for anyone that has never suffered from this affliction, it's not like a cold, you don't feel ill, but it make it's very hard to breathe and it does tend to run you down over time. And what sucks about diphenhydramine and other allergy medications that actually do something, is that it makes you very dehydrated. I can completely understand why he prefers to just take a holiday for during spring. With the cold weather in Europe this year, it probably just delayed the allergy season for a few more weeks.

So, does anyone know what type of allergies AC suffers?

I get really bad spring-time allergies from tree pollen, but I stopped taking medications years ago and I usually only suffer a couple weeks at most, but it's very bad; I can get an attack of sneezing that just goes on and on...and my sinuses are totally blocked and eyes are itchy...It sucks!

However, one thing I've noticed is that when I'm riding and get my cardio up to a certain point (not too much, it's not like I have to go in the red, not even close) my allergy symptoms go away, until I'm done with my ride.

sprince 06-29-13 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by john gault (Post 15796259)
So, does anyone know what type of allergies AC suffers?

If it happens in spring in the northern hemisphere it's almost certainly tree pollen. Grass is late spring through summer, and most mold spore and weed activity is in the fall.


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