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    Ted King Ousted from TdF Debut after Missing TTT Cutoff by 7 Seconds

    Separated his shoulder in Stage 1, due to the finish line cluster f***-caused crash. Was dropped almost immediately in the TTT, struggling to make the cut-off time. Judges offered no slack.

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/...sh-time_293159

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    That pisses me off, the crash was likely due to the race organizers changing the finish line twice in just a couple Km.

    This quote sums it up perfectly
    Nigel Wynn wrote on Twitter, “On note of Ted King, anyone who can ride at 28.6 mph+ (32:32) for 25km with separated shoulder on a road bike should be in the Tour de France.”

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    They should enforce the rules as written without exceptions. But in the past they have made exceptions, and very often for much less compelling circumstances. And by making those exceptions in the past they opened the door to question every similar decision. Given that the organizers probably caused the crash in the first place, I think they could have given Ted King a pass.

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    They also mentioned a time discrepancy between his SRM and the official time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sprince View Post
    Given that the organizers probably caused the crash in the first place, I think they could have given Ted King a pass.
    This...

    No doubt, that first stage was total chaos coming into the end, and while the organizers did the best they could under some very pressure packed circumstances, so did the riders, as they tried to come to grips with all of the changes while they were fast on the fly. Just for guts alone, King should have been able to go on, at least for another stage to see if he improved.

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    Did he really expect them to use his own SRM data over the official time-keeping? Come on now Ted.

    Rules are rules, that's racing. It's supposed to be cruel.

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    So does this raise questions about the accuracy of SRM data?
    Punctuation is important. It's the difference between "I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse" and "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkglasses View Post
    Did he really expect them to use his own SRM data over the official time-keeping? Come on now Ted.

    Rules are rules, that's racing. It's supposed to be cruel.
    In the article I read (not sure if it's the same one linked above, didn't check the link) it said his timing chip didn't get transferred from his TT bike to his road bike, so there wasn't an official time. One of the things Ted was trying to figure out is how they came up with his official time since he didn't have the chip. He was using his SRM data to show how far off the official time was since no one had told him how they actually came up with the official time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttusomeone View Post
    In the article I read (not sure if it's the same one linked above, didn't check the link) it said his timing chip didn't get transferred from his TT bike to his road bike, so there wasn't an official time. One of the things Ted was trying to figure out is how they came up with his official time since he didn't have the chip. He was using his SRM data to show how far off the official time was since no one had told him how they actually came up with the official time.
    If that's true then that was incredibly foolish by the mechanics. Serious, serious blunder. Blame them for Ted being out. For obvious reasons, it's unthinkable for the ASO to use team's own timekeeping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprince View Post
    They should enforce the rules as written without exceptions.
    As the rules as written allow for exceptions, what does that mean? Are you saying they shouldn't grant any exceptions? Since the rules allow exceptions, not granting any means they are not following the rules. Then if you say they shouldn't follow the rules, why not ignore the rules so that Ted could ride? On the other hand, if you are saying they should follow the rule rigorously, then they are perfectly within the rules to grant an exception and Ted could ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkglasses View Post
    If that's true then that was incredibly foolish by the mechanics. Serious, serious blunder. Blame them for Ted being out. For obvious reasons, it's unthinkable for the ASO to use team's own timekeeping.
    You might want to read Joe Lindsey to understand what's going on. http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderre...-cruelest-cut/

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    Quote Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
    You might want to read Joe Lindsey to understand what's going on. http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderre...-cruelest-cut/
    That's the article I had read previously. I guess at this point the discussions are moot because since they didn't let him ride today, it's not like they'll let him enter tomorrow if the decision is changed. I'm assuming there's no precident to let a rider re-enter after they keep him out for a stage.
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    His team made the decision to abandon him.

    Exceptions are made for circumstances in the stage, not for a rider being injured previously.

    Also the vast majority of exceptions are NOT made for a single rider.

    If they made an exception in this case than any team which waited even in the slightest to keep one of their riders with them would have a legitimate complaint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by himespau View Post
    So does this raise questions about the accuracy of SRM data?
    I don't think so. It's not like they use it to determine one's place in the standings in the first place. There is always going to be uncertainty on the power estimates they produce even if they make it *look* like they 'measure' your output to the 10-thousandth of a watt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    I don't think so. It's not like they use it to determine one's place in the standings in the first place. There is always going to be uncertainty on the power estimates they produce even if they make it *look* like they 'measure' your output to the 10-thousandth of a watt.
    I'd written that before I saw that his bike may not have been chipped and was more wondering about if there was going to be an issue if SRM and chip data varied by over 10 seconds over a time frame of just 32 minutes. That kind of variation would make me think one of them was completely untrustworthy.

    But yeah, I got that sig fig issue a lot with my PhD advisor. I was too lazy to cut off the decimals when giving lab meetings about some protein/DNA interaction measurement and he'd get all over me, so now I'm paranoid when things are reported to that level of precision.
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    Really heartbreaking for him. Clearly 6 or 7 seconds should have been accepted by the judges IMO. The team gained no advantage.

    Really bad decision. Sometimes I wonder if the judges have ever riden a bike.
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    Another yearly standard: The persecuted American rider picked on by those scheming frogs.

    As someone said the injury was from a PREVIOUS stage.
    Last edited by Laggard; 07-03-13 at 06:29 PM.
    i may have overreacted

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    ^I think they do it so the French ass-kissers can remove their face each year just long enough to write a post or two on BF.

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    Does anyone actually believe for one second (how about for seven seconds?) that if it was Thomas "I get way too much attention for a middling rider" Voeckler who was decked previously, and was out by 7 seconds, the organizers would NOT have reinstated him??? Anyone? I don't really have an opinion on Ted King, but I can say without a shadow of a doubt that if it was a popular French rider, they would not have eliminated him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
    Does anyone actually believe for one second (how about for seven seconds?) that if it was Thomas "I get way too much attention for a middling rider" Voeckler who was decked previously, and was out by 7 seconds, the organizers would NOT have reinstated him??? Anyone? I don't really have an opinion on Ted King, but I can say without a shadow of a doubt that if it was a popular French rider, they would not have eliminated him.
    You are 100% wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
    You are 100% wrong.
    Too bad we can't prove it either way. So I guess you're the only one.

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    If Cannondale wanted him to stay, they should have: 1.) waited for him or 2.) have another rider drop back to help pace him in under the time limit.

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    And yet when the autobus was out of the time limit (I think last year), they didn't dare disqualify Cavendish and 40 others who were in it.

    Since they DQ'ed Tom King, they need to make it clear that if the autobus is beyond the time limit, everyone of them gets DQ'ed.

    Fair is fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gpsblake View Post
    And yet when the autobus was out of the time limit (I think last year), they didn't dare disqualify Cavendish and 40 others who were in it.

    Since they DQ'ed Tom King, they need to make it clear that if the autobus is beyond the time limit, everyone of them gets DQ'ed.

    Fair is fair.
    They often make exceptions for larger groups who come in late. They've been doing that forever. Its not some big conspiracy.
    i may have overreacted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
    They often make exceptions for larger groups who come in late. They've been doing that forever. Its not some big conspiracy.
    Oh I know but if they are applying the rules strictly as was their argument, then they need to be consistent.

    I know they aren't going to DQ the autobus, it would destroy the Tour in marketing to have nearly all the sprinters DQed.

    King wouldn't have been much help even if he had been allowed to stay in, just too beat up.

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